Let's get our science on people! What the hell was in those bottles??!! What the hell was Tanya testing for??!!
What the hell??!! Hell...hel....
Well just enjoy the show. Happy Monday!!
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Let's get our science on people! What the hell was in those bottles??!! What the hell was Tanya testing for??!!
What the hell??!! Hell...hel....
Well just enjoy the show. Happy Monday!!
What the hell indeed! 5 more hours......
Three hours... Right? Normally I would have said four, but since we just adjusted our clocks one hour backwards I'm kinda confused. :D Now I'll have to get used to new times on each forrain forum I'm reading on since I'll have to calculate post dates/times...Just to have it all change again in six months.
And here I thought that DST was meant to save time, not spend more on figuring out time zones...
Anyways, 39.2 is out soon... I wanna hear more about Raaandy! Or no, I'd rather no more about Raydon Labs or Ink... Ink can talk, Randy hasn't yet, therefore Ink is cooler.
Yes, from now in about 3 hours ...
Will #-39-2 be about the bottles (again) or Tanya? Or will the focus change to Saul, Lizzy, Victor, Kelly and lil Henry? I mean ... Hell, infants ARE chemical reactions, aren'T they? Especially if you consider pewking, pooping, and other hilarious stuff ... !
Two hours. America has not shifted it's clocks. It is ~9:45 local time and we normally get it a little before 12:00
The fellas at WA Fan Cast have me wondering about something else. Namely, do we think Saul and Victor will raid CJ's files at Dunbar and find info about Randy there? Surely she has a file on him pre-zombification and possibly also post.
There should also be info on Duncan and lots on the mallers. If we go :tinfoil: there is also a picture of Kilani. Ink has green eyes. Samantha had green eyes and kilani's name did not match his face. We still do not know why some are taken early in the outbreak. Datu was taken as a trap. Do we know what color eyes angel had?
In defense of Jay in part 1
People harsh on him for being a noob, but he was the one to notice the time stamp. That is good stuff. Might be a case of person in the wrong job. Driving up onto a flower box may even have been the better option. We just do not know.
Me, I want to harsh on the people that put something as mission critical as the .50 cal on something without 4wheel drive. Sure, blame the FNG!
Oh man. I need a Super power to speed up time.. Cause its taking way too long for 12 to get here for me to listen to the next Chapter. I brought my lunch today too and I am hungry..
Yeah, he serves a story telling purpose too. As a new guy who doesn't know much about the mission, he provides a realistic way for the audience to learn what the main characters are doing. It makes more sense to explain the spotters to a new guy than to, say, Carl whom one could assume would have already been briefed and trained.
Oh, that sad sad piano score.
This episode was like sledge hammers at red heat in your face - so close to this:
http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyM...567a1f30b3.jpg
Need to digest ...
My iTunes just begun downloading but I want to get out on a limb and say a preventive "KC quit trolling" just in case.
(kidding, I love the trolling)
Several likely answers, a couple of new mysteries, a few insights and that sad piano score.
RIP Wendy.
Nuuuhhhhh!!!
Very good Sci-fi writing. I really like the idea of tracking the byproducts and the results of changing as opposed to writing what the causes the change. Makes the story a bit more plausible if you are able to tell what is happening as opposed to how and why.
As for the behemoth tumors, I have an INKLING those aren't exactly tumors. :tinfoil: Placentas? :tinfoil:
Tanya has created a Cylon detector and uncovered the firsts of the Final Five.
Yeah, I think a couple of theories wereverified, others maybe falsified. This episode is kind of an eye-opener and puts a totally new spin or momentum to the show ...
And "Datu the Ressourceful's Grease Monkey Gun of Slaughter in da House" is kind of pretty cool.
What I really like and enjoy: Datu is established as a serious as well as comic relief character on this show. And it works very well. Sweet. Sweetsweetsweet.
As for what's going on with "the rising numbers" ... This really is something very, very heavy. Although I never became a fan of "him", I kind of feel very sorry about "him" ... Anyway. Since many of us haven't listened to the episode yet, I won't spoil anymore, until this thread has significantly grown. But then I will be happy to join the theory-frail.
One last note for now: This episode has the potential of creating some Nobel Price Nominees in the WA fandom ... I am looking forward to reading some serious science shit over here ...
Best wishes!
Liam
THIS!WAS!EPIC!!!
But damn, I feel sorry for Saul and Tanya! And now it just seems even more likely to me that Saul's going to die. Michael did after all talk about him in past tence (Saul WAS a good soldier) back in chapter 1.
Oh, and go Datu! You just invented the poor man's 50 cal.! Make that Mata-gun worth the Work! :D
I can't wait to find out what they'll find at Raydon. :)
BTW, anyone WHO can tell me how to spell what ever Tanya was measuring in the blood?
Where to start with this.. Datu and his Badass Gun.. This will be an interesting build to follow.. But yea Why do they not reload ammo.. Its easy I am sure there is a crap load of places they can get powder and bullets and yes eventually they will run out.. Just like they have with their current ammo supply..
With Glenn helping him maybe it will turn out to be something really good for them.. Compressed air is a bitch. High enough and it can slice you in half.
Yea for Potatoes..
Looks like in the last 4 mths. Pegs and Michael have stepped up a notch..
So Raydon is a Pharmaceutical company. This will be interesting next chapter..
I wonder what Victor's foul up was that is causing Michael not to want him out.. Another Mystery..
Well Seems Kelly and them did know about Tonya being bit.. Which brings me to the possible sad part.. I almost got misty eyed for Saul when he was talking about the baby and Lizzy.. Maybe she can do an MRI if they can get to one and determine if they have changed internally yet. But would explain back in the old theories about them being slower turners and why Saul could breath back at ground Zero.
Saul almost recalled Raydon. I wonder if it would have made much of a difference if he did. Other then recalling Burt said they were smart..
Kelly at Dunbar.. That was not expected.. But least we may get more peeks into CJ's files.
On Happy Note. Tanya will move in to help with the delivery of the baby.
But I hope Tanya will learn they have the virus but its not changing them. Its been how many mths since she was bit and Saul was shot with the pass through bullet?
I am not sure how this one will play out.. Their levels still are not super high yet. Maybe they will not turn but could turn others with their blood.. That would be interesting.. Like on 28 weeks later.. The wife carried the virus and was immune but could infect others.
Gonna relisten to this at home tonight while I reload some .357 Mags.
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i'm sensing a "Prometheus" (Alien Prequel) scene when the main character has that automated C-section done of the alien in her womb. crazy scene.
Saul is a hero in this story, and sadly, it looks like he might become a dead one.
and yeah, i'm waiting to hear about Victor's screw-up.
Oh, I definitely am. :D Only thing I had to do to get the spelling of the Word though woul be to hit Q until I'd get to the block quote with your post, then arrow Down to get to the line where you wrote the name, and then just use the left/right arrow to spell it. :)
Thanks for helping. Hehe.
Damn!
Saul and Tanya showing signs on infection is throwing me for a loop.
I've always been a proponent of the family immunity theory and I still feel mostly certain that things are going to turn out alright for them. But I'm starting to get that small little twinge of doubt that this could turn nasty before the end.
There is one thing sticking in my mind. I remember Saul noting in Chapter 28 that the zombies might not even be able to survive the haze at Ground Zero. So, if we do end up seeing Tanya going there to test the air and she ends up being immune to the effects the way Saul was, that might be an indicator that their high Keratin 18 levels are signs of something other than slow infection.
As for the whole Keratin 18 thing, in general. I only took a quick look at what it is, but what I found is that it is a molecule found in epithelial tissue, and that it is sometimes used to detect circulating tumor cells in blood.
So I'm thinking maybe the high levels of K18 in the blood during the first stages of infection could have something to do way the zombies skin thickens.
And circulating tumor cells just makes me think of how the behemoth was full of tumors. I'm no sure, I'll leave the rest of the digging to our resident researchers, but my mind's tingling.
Wow, still no sign of Burt and Riley. Not sure how anxious I would be to reconnoiter Raydon Labs. Scratch separated the fighting force once before with nasty consequences. They are spreading themselves thin between the colony, Dunbar, Raydon Labs and where ever Burt and Riley are. If Michael has even a tiny amount of command and control with them, I would want a sit rep and give them a heads up at the least and combine efforts if at all possible.
Now we have Victor's foul up to add to Micheal's arm, and we haven't even learned about Calvin's Noodle Incident from 20 years ago.
"a frog can't turn back into a tadpole"
this line jumped out at me.
such a heavy episode....i need to digest this one for a day or so.
Keratin 18 on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keratin_18
Keratin 18 on Google Scholar: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl...%2C39&as_sdtp=
Keratin 18 and formic acid on Google Scholar: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...&as_sdt=0%2C39
Keratin 18 and formaldehyde on Google Scholar: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...&as_sdt=0%2C39
Keratin 18 and formamide on Google Scholar: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...&as_sdt=0%2C39
Keratin 18 and formalin on Google Scholar: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...ed=0CCoQgQMwAA
Keratin 18 on PubMed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=keratin+18
Formic acid, formamide, and formaldehyde all seem to have uses in genomic (and possibly proteomic) research.
Oddly, there also seems to be a link between formaldehyde and a popular hair treatment: http://nadinejolie.com/blog/2010/10/...out-companies/
Note: Hair is made from a type of keratin (not 18, though).
All because you can't change someone back doesn't mean you can't slow or even stop the change..
Also, I guessing somehow Burt &/or Riley will be at Raydon Labs and may "come to the rescue" in a diar situation.
I forgot to mention. From Michael not wanting to talk to CJ and getting Pegs to do it and the conversation Datu had with Glenn and his narrative, sounds like CJ is being really hard on everyone and does not sound like its a good thing. Will be interesting to see how that house of cards will fall.
Wow, this is probably my favorite episode this season. The conversation between Saul and Tanya was heavy duty, and so well acted. The scene at the end with Michael giving Pegs flowers through Datu cracked me up (I'm assuming he got them out of the flowerbed that the new guy drove into), glad to see that they're moving back towards being together. Also Datu's 'Matta-gun' (no idea how the spelling should be) was really cool, although I was just as skeptical as Glen.. And still sort of am. It just seems hard for me to believe that a gun using compressed air can have a more powerful impact and penetrating force than a .50 caliber bullet. However, I don't know much about guns in general. Man I'm excited for next week's episode; it has all the proper build-up to be something great.
(Also, the revelation about Saul and Tanya threw me for a loop: I was positive that they were both immune. Points to KC for once again taking the story for a new, unexpected twist.)
This was a pretty hardcore episode in its revealing nature, but there are few forum posts at this time. Is everyone too stunned by the Saul/Tanya revelation to talk about it? In my humble opinion, this episode contains LOTS to think about.
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Still thinking.
Yeah. My first thought was: There are so many illnesses for the human body we stil don't have the full medical treatment for - like for example HIV -, and yet the pharmaceuticals available allow a thorough and strong control over shit like this.
But the bad news from Tanya is that the numbers slowly rise. So currently there is not much controle over the infection. I just wonder: When was it that Saul got infected? Was it his attempt to save Lady in the Hybrid, when he shot all those zombs and crashed into the Whisky-Bottles? Was it when he was shot by Burt that he got the infected blood from Tommy or the Jumper into his own blood-system? Or was it as late as his expedition to ground zero that he caught the shit from breathing the bad air just long enough? But in that case Victor and Pegs must have been infected as well - which would be very baaaaaaaaaaaad news ...
And then again: Saul was infected a long time ago. Why does his body apply to the z-factor so dramatically slowly? Is it because of his genetic code? Or is it because he received the "right" medical treatment at the right time?
Best wishes!
Liam
I find it strange that Tanya says the woman is not turning fast or slow at the 22 minute mark. While we learned from season 1 that people were changing in a couple of minutes. This would indicate that one of the first changes is behavioral. Since Wendy was knocked out, we do not observe these mental changes.
However, if we go back to the start of Season 4, Amy gets scratched and is able to go to the hospital and hang out for a long while. Two people from the colony, two people taking a hell of a long tie to change compared to regular people in Season 1,
What I keep asking myself is how "normal" is anybody anymore? Are they the new normal or was there something special about them right from the beginning? They are from the colony, but a colony of what?