Too many chiefs, not enough indians

[Grognaurd]

Nope, not another Michael vs. CJ or Burt vs. Angel leadership thread. Today, what is in a name...

Datu -- A title for Chiefs / Princes in the Philippines
Kalani -- Chieftain in Hawaiian
Durai – Prince Hindi (?)
Saul – A biblical King

Hell, Kalani even calls Michael ( and someone else another time?) Chief when he says he will find another chopper pilot.

So, simple coincidence or is KC using double meanings?

[Kc]

Perhaps. But not with every name in the series.

[Grognaurd]

Perhaps. But not with every name in the series.

Like:
ROBIN HOOD [Hardcover]
VAN GOOL LEFEVRE LOISEAUX (Illustrator)

Riley Le Fevre code named L'oiseau by Burt :)

[7oddisdead]

Ah, another name thread.

KC, your not allowed in any of my or gords crackpot/ tinfoil hat threads....thats just mean. :D

I have nothing new to add to what we have beat into the ground already grog...have fun with this one!

[scbubba]

Nice find.

Names are interesting things. We've been through all the Christian-related name stuff several times. We have Skittles and his taxonomy of zombies where he gives names to the different kinds he has seen. We have the names that others have given the zombies (some stuck others didn't). Throughout human history names have either described someone or thought to define them in some way. Even if Kc isn't using them for double meanings, they could be plenty of meaning in the choice of names for characters.

Add some other possibilities to the list:
Elizabeth (Lizzy): well known British (English?) queen
Margaret (where Peggy/Pegs originates): several royal women in Europe as well as a few people beatified or given sainthood
Victor: "One who Conquers" (not directly a ruler, but conquerors often rule)

Names I couldn't make good connection to king/queen/ruler/royalty yet:
Burton (long form of Burt?): fortified enclosure
Kelly: Irish surname means 'War', Scottish surname means 'Wood'

That's all for the moment

[Grognaurd]

I think the classics should be rolled out every once in a while and see if anything else pops out.

I did not catch the

LEFEVRE LOISEAUX

Last time

[Grognaurd]

so i have been in a research mood as of late. and while i know their has been some debate over the usage of names before...id like to put out a slightly more in depth look at them. perhaps there is something to be learned for future direction of the story based on simple things we've been looking at this whole time. all my information has come from either surnamedb.com or googling...so without any further chatter...

"pegs" MITCHUM
mitchum is an english surname originated around 675 ad. its meaning is equated to "old house" mitchum was also an alterative to the name....michael


michael cross
obviously, we have made the connection to michael and the biblical implications of the name...but the name cross derives from the pre 7th century norse word "kross", which offset the olde english word "cruc". as a surname, it was often given to people who lived at a crossroads..and as the variation of the name spread it came to denote one who carried the cross in processions of the christian church.

angel tunudo
this is a funny one....as through all my research i found literally no examples of the name tunudo....well, with exception to yu-gi-oh.....so i left this search confused...?

saul TINK
tink comes from the olde french word "tenche" a nickname metanymic for freshwater fisherman. or could possibly be the nickname for a "sleek, well rounded person"..also as it has been said before, tink is a shortened version of "tinker"....the earliest found siting of the name is around 1193...but as the surname tenche.. tink appeared later in 1599

riley LEFEVRE
lefevre is an olde french surname meaning ironworker or smith, it is also the french equivilant to the english surname "smith"
lizzie fabre
strangely enough, fabre has the same definition as lefevre both mean ironworker or smith.....

burt SCOTT
scott comes from the olde english pre 7th century word "scotti". in former and acient times this denoted not a scottsman but an irishman...specifically a gael. one who had taken part in the conquering of the wetern coast of scotland...

kelly MAYNARD
maynard comes from the old french surname "mainard" and loosely means strength-strong willed. originallly found in the domesday book of norfolk, 1086
tommy PICK
i included tommy because of the names relation to that of maynard, its nothing major but the orgin of the name pick was found in the same domesday book of norfolk 1086

and lastly....
DATU MATA datu means "chief".. mata has a few meanings...kill and massacre being two of them...
DURAI....also means chief
KALANI....while yes kalani does have the meaning "heavens or sky"..it also has the meaning "royal one" which also equates to chief (at least in my book)

could there be something to all this....... thoughts?

Great early work by 7odd

[7oddisdead]

Thanks buddy.

[Grognaurd]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Frederick "The Angel" Tenuto was a New York mobster and criminal who would be on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list for over a decade, the longest on record at the time. A low level New York criminal, Tenuto escaped from the Philadelphia County Prison in a jailbreak with four other inmates

Tenuto's name would remain on the FBI's Most Wanted list for over 14 years before it was removed on March 9, 1964, amid reports Tenuto had been killed and secretly buried.

[Grognaurd]

Maybe I should change my name to Halo's Cortana as I think myself to death lol

[Kc]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Frederick "The Angel" Tenuto was a New York mobster and criminal who would be on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list for over a decade, the longest on record at the time. A low level New York criminal, Tenuto escaped from the Philadelphia County Prison in a jailbreak with four other inmates

Tenuto's name would remain on the FBI's Most Wanted list for over 14 years before it was removed on March 9, 1964, amid reports Tenuto had been killed and secretly buried.

Oh... look what you found...

[7oddisdead]

Gggaaaaaaaahhhhh.....!!!

Off to my google-r!

[Grognaurd]

Gggaaaaaaaahhhhh.....!!!

Off to my google-r!

Better to be lucky than good, lol. Spelled angels name wrong to get he hit.

[7oddisdead]

Better to be lucky the good, lol. Spelled angels name wrong to get he hit.

Yea...that's what im trying out! So far I found that there is a folk musican named "mike cross"...havent been much farther than that.

[Grognaurd]

Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
From this episode we know that Angel was connected with one of "the Families" and named after his father. I'm assuming the Families refers to the Mafia. There was a famous Mafia hitman named Frederick "The Angel" Tenuto. His last name and our Angel's are spelled differently, and there's a big time gap between the two, but I think it's too close to be a complete coincidence.

Tenuto escaped from the Philadelphia County Prison along with Willie Sutton in 1947. He spent 10 years on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List, and is rumored to have died in the early 60s.

This also came out when I googled, just now. Seems it is old turf and I want to give cite it

[Grognaurd]

Bill Roberts was a victim of "Hannibal the Cannibal"

From wiki...
Robert John Maudsley (born June 1953) is a British serial killer responsible for the murders of four people. He committed three of these murders in prison after receiving a life sentence for a single murder. He was alleged to have eaten part of the brain of one of three men he killed in prison, which earned him the nickname "Hannibal the Cannibal" among the British press; however, the Press Complaints Commission records that national newspapers were subsequently advised that the allegations were untrue, according to the autopsy report.

... eventually cornering and stabbing prisoner Bill Roberts to death. He hacked at Roberts' skull with a makeshift dagger and smashed his head against the wall.

[Osiris]

Speaking as a native Canadian, this . . .

[Witch_Doctor]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Frederick "The Angel" Tenuto was a New York mobster and criminal who would be on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list for over a decade, the longest on record at the time. A low level New York criminal, Tenuto escaped from the Philadelphia County Prison in a jailbreak with four other inmates

Tenuto's name would remain on the FBI's Most Wanted list for over 14 years before it was removed on March 9, 1964, amid reports Tenuto had been killed and secretly buried.

Too lazy to write my own stuff about this...
From this episode we know that Angel was connected with one of "the Families" and named after his father. I'm assuming the Families refers to the Mafia. There was a famous Mafia hitman named Frederick "The Angel" Tenuto. His last name and our Angel's are spelled differently, and there's a big time gap between the two, but I think it's too close to be a complete coincidence.

Tenuto escaped from the Philadelphia County Prison along with Willie Sutton in 1947. He spent 10 years on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List, and is rumored to have died in the early 60s.



The timeline seems to be consistant for Frederick "The Angel" Tenuto to have been his grandfather though.

[Witch_Doctor]

As mentioned somewhere, many of the Tower Survivors were named after survivors on the Titanic (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?2976-Chapter-27-The-Thirty-First-part-2&p=35902&viewfull=1#post35902).

[daveyman23]

Bill Roberts was a victim of "Hannibal the Cannibal"

From wiki...
Robert John Maudsley (born June 1953) is a British serial killer responsible for the murders of four people. He committed three of these murders in prison after receiving a life sentence for a single murder. He was alleged to have eaten part of the brain of one of three men he killed in prison, which earned him the nickname "Hannibal the Cannibal" among the British press; however, the Press Complaints Commission records that national newspapers were subsequently advised that the allegations were untrue, according to the autopsy report.

... eventually cornering and stabbing prisoner Bill Roberts to death. He hacked at Roberts' skull with a makeshift dagger and smashed his head against the wall.

Now THIS is interesting!

[kent17]

Tenuto's name would remain on the FBI's Most Wanted list for over 14 years before it was removed on March 9, 1964, amid reports Tenuto had been killed and secretly buried.

Much like our own "fallen Angel"