The Victor Conspiricy

[Drogon Malice]

in short, is Viktor really CIA? he strikes me as someone who knows exactly what he's doing and has other things which need to be done which are more important than mundane tasks. it might also explain his knowledge of the sweat before anyone else Tanya said the colony didn't know about that but Viktor had knowledge? just a random thought

[trubkir]

in short, is Viktor really CIA? he strikes me as someone who knows exactly what he's doing and has other things which need to be done which are more important than mundane tasks. it might also explain his knowledge of the sweat before anyone else Tanya said the colony didn't know about that but Viktor had knowledge? just a random thought

I don't think that Victor(sp) is a company man. If I remember correctly he was a recon guy for the Colony. So he probably had chance to watch how the zombies worked and learned through hypothesis and observation. His character comes across to me as intelligent so he probably knows more than he is saying but that doesn't make him CIA.

[Drogon Malice]

i dunno just something about him, like everything is premeditated "what do you do for a living" "i'm an insurance salesmen" almost no hesitatation there its like it was planned, who knows i'm randomly throwing it out there food for thought and speculation really, he just seems to know his shit is all.

[Raven]

"what do you do for a living" "i'm an insurance salesmen" almost no hesitatation there its like it was planned,
Or it was the truth. Honestly I think he is similar to Riley in that respect he was a smart dude who saw shit was going crazy and had the good sense to GTFO. He has admitted he doesn't know about guns or MRE's or other things. Would it be better if he was a gardener or something else like Saul said because he is Mexican?
Victor as far as we know now is awesome and Victor-y (Thanks Nik) but not anything more... YET

[Cabbage Patch]

in short, is Viktor really CIA? he strikes me as someone who knows exactly what he's doing and has other things which need to be done which are more important than mundane tasks. it might also explain his knowledge of the sweat before anyone else Tanya said the colony didn't know about that but Viktor had knowledge? just a random thought

I agree that Victor is just too cool a character to be "some insurance saleman that stepped up". I'm thinking Ninja/Forensic Accountant for a crime syndicate, or maybe a wetwork specialist for the Vatican. I think it would be especially interesting if Victor knows Scratch and Durai.

[Dyhoerium]

I agree there seems to be more to Victor than we know! I'm not sure CIA is the answer, but I don't really have any better ideas. I've always thought Victor acted differently when shit hits than fan as opposed to when it's a casual situation. Listen to his part of the conversation when him and Saul are just chatting. Victor comes off a bit stupid in my opinion. However, when shit gets intense he is mister decisive with quick decisions and correct action. Is he acting stupid, if so why? Also, I could be judging him harshly in those scenarios.

He's an interesting character and is quickly rising on my list of favorite characters!

[Drogon Malice]

i just suspect he is CIA or some kind of agent like that, i don't know what it is about him but it get that feeling i've been raised as a soldier and theres something off about his mindset, just because he's CIA doesn't mean he has to know all about guns and shit he could of been in a completely diffrent section but i'm not American so i don't know how that would really work but still i suspect it to be true!

[Osiris]

Sorry, I missed something... when did we start thinking the Insurance salesman was CIA? Not knocking the theory, just trying to find where that reference would have come from. Color me intrigued.

[Drogon Malice]

Sorry, I missed something... when did we start thinking the Insurance salesman was CIA? Not knocking the theory, just trying to find where that reference would have come from. Color me intrigued.


no distinguished refrence but my authority senses are tingling, something about him seems off he seems to have a bit more infomation, he doesn't have to stick with saul and infact when he wasn't going to split a meal with him he was going to pack up and leave, sure we all get a bit crabby when we're hungry but Viktor has always had this sort of persona about him like he doesn't want to be with anyone, he's got something else more important he needs to be doing, but he stays with people to survive but when he was prepared to leave its like he didn't care about what happened to saul because he would be ok. i don't expect people to get it, my dad was a soldier and he raised me as a soldier so its weird its like i can sense it in peoples voices the number of times i've been out in public and ended up talking to people who were off duty police officers or army reserve soldiers, that six sense is telling me viktor is something more than what he says, he could be NSA, ATF, FBI, or CIA i'm sure there are other agencies out there but he strikes me as someone who is trained.

[Osiris]

Interesting theory. Reaching pretty far, but interesting.

[Drogon Malice]

yeah i understand that i think we should keep listening and see what turns up later on, i don't think the colony would last much longer might see more survivors in LA at some point. the colony knows micheal and his bunch came from LA right? who knows who might turn up tomorrow

[trubkir]

If Victor is anything other than an insurance salesman he is hiding it very well. CIA or "Secret Agent" types are very often portrayed as very observant, extremely paranoid and very quiet. Victor didn't notice the surviellance device at the gate to the fruit trees, he was very inefficient with the camera during the ground zero walk, and he never is very aggresive with CJ's mind games. Now if he is very good at his job these could be tradecraft to keep people off his scent.

[MenashaCorpse]

One other detail - the LAST thing anyone would voluntarily admit to being in any apocalyptic scenario is an insurance salesman. Zombies would be the least of one's pursuers!!

"Let's look at your policy... Fire, Flood, Act of God... Nope. No zombies. Hey- put down that crossbow!!!"

[ClearSights]

I'm just saying that anyone can be really skilled at something but have a dumb job. Just look at Josh Koscheck, he is a good MMA fighter but his day job is a male nurse... I'm just saying

[ClearSights]

PS. Don't know why I said "I'm just saying" twice.... that was allitle wierd. I'm just saying

[nikvoodoo]

PS. Don't know why I said "I'm just saying" twice.... that was allitle wierd. I'm just saying

You know you can edit your posts, right? You can go back and make those changes. I, too, am just saying. ;)

[reaper239]

no distinguished refrence but my authority senses are tingling, something about him seems off he seems to have a bit more infomation, he doesn't have to stick with saul and infact when he wasn't going to split a meal with him he was going to pack up and leave, sure we all get a bit crabby when we're hungry but Viktor has always had this sort of persona about him like he doesn't want to be with anyone, he's got something else more important he needs to be doing, but he stays with people to survive but when he was prepared to leave its like he didn't care about what happened to saul because he would be ok. i don't expect people to get it, my dad was a soldier and he raised me as a soldier so its weird its like i can sense it in peoples voices the number of times i've been out in public and ended up talking to people who were off duty police officers or army reserve soldiers, that six sense is telling me viktor is something more than what he says, he could be NSA, ATF, FBI, or CIA i'm sure there are other agencies out there but he strikes me as someone who is trained.

NSA analyst maybe, BATFE no a federal police organization, but no real security clearance stuff, no reason to lie, FBI pretty much the same thing, some things they do is covert, but they are basically federal police. CIA is not authorized to operate domestically, they operate strictly abroad. anywhere he would've gotten any kind of field level training, it would've included firearms and combat training. i'll say this, my job puts me in contact with a lot of government people, including spooks. vicky dosn't sound like a spook, just someone who is very intelligent. not to say that he couldn't be, unless you work with any of those secret squirrel outfits it's really hard to sound like them, but something just tells me he's not apart of any intelligence agency, just someone who is outstanding in a clutch, but very chill otherwise.

[Tielurrdee]

You know you can edit your posts, right? You can go back and make those changes. I, too, am just saying. ;)

Or you can
Let Osiris do it for you ;) just saying elohel

[Z Sniper]

Look, I didn't want to give it away but I wouldn't want you to go crazy wondering what Victor does. He wasn't completely lying when he said he was an "insurance salesman", he does after all insure people get into the United States via the Rio Grand,....aka "COYOTE". He does enjoy long walks on the beach, and on his off time he's an avid hunter of the chupacabra. He likes burly woman and fish tacos almost as much as he likes beat-boxing on Santa Monica pier. He's an artist in his own right, forging any fake I.D. you can think of. You can find him selling 'em out of his ice cream cart on Friday nights at the south end of the lake in Echo Park. He is,.....the most interesting man in the world.

[yarri]

Look, I didn't want to give it away but I wouldn't want you to go crazy wondering what Victor does. He wasn't completely lying when he said he was an "insurance salesman", he does after all insure people get into the United States via the Rio Grand,....aka "COYOTE". He does enjoy long walks on the beach, and on his off time he's an avid hunter of the chupacabra. He likes burly woman and fish tacos almost as much as he likes beat-boxing on Santa Monica pier. He's an artist in his own right, forging any fake I.D. you can think of. You can find him selling 'em out of his ice cream cart on Friday nights at the south end of the lake in Echo Park. He is,.....the most interesting man in the world.

You are a very funny, very naughty man. :)

[Z Sniper]

You are a very funny, very naughty man. :)

;)

[Osiris]

Or you can
Let Osiris do it for you ;) just saying elohel

I need to look at something? Point me to it, bro.

[Nate Eeez]

Look, I didn't want to give it away but I wouldn't want you to go crazy wondering what Victor does. He wasn't completely lying when he said he was an "insurance salesman", he does after all insure people get into the United States via the Rio Grand,....aka "COYOTE". He does enjoy long walks on the beach, and on his off time he's an avid hunter of the chupacabra. He likes burly woman and fish tacos almost as much as he likes beat-boxing on Santa Monica pier. He's an artist in his own right, forging any fake I.D. you can think of. You can find him selling 'em out of his ice cream cart on Friday nights at the south end of the lake in Echo Park. He is,.....the most interesting man in the world.

So Victor may know Scratch and Durai. Helping with some fake IDs. If I recall correctly they have a fair collection of IDs.

[Osiris]

Look, I didn't want to give it away but I wouldn't want you to go crazy wondering what Victor does. He wasn't completely lying when he said he was an "insurance salesman", he does after all insure people get into the United States via the Rio Grand,....aka "COYOTE". He does enjoy long walks on the beach, and on his off time he's an avid hunter of the chupacabra. He likes burly woman and fish tacos almost as much as he likes beat-boxing on Santa Monica pier. He's an artist in his own right, forging any fake I.D. you can think of. You can find him selling 'em out of his ice cream cart on Friday nights at the south end of the lake in Echo Park. He is,.....the most interesting man in the world.

http://smiliesftw.com/x/roflwtf.gif How'd I miss this?!

[Nate Eeez]

http://smiliesftw.com/x/roflwtf.gif How'd I miss this?!

You were caught up in you on the last post.

[Osiris]

You were caught up in you on the last post.

Sometimes I just miss shit.

[Drogon Malice]

actually the thought of Victor being some kind of gurrilla soldier or smuggler makes a fair bit of sense, the twist on the insurance salesmen gag just then made me think, but i mean, going back to my origonal theory about him being some kind of goverment agent.

think about it the world is good, everythings awesome t
then for no apparent reason the world goes to shit around you, you get scared, no level of training gets you through it, Victor was at the colony so he must of been part of the build while you fight movement to secure the place.

the world goes to shit, you know you lost people, your training helps you deal with it
the zombies not so much
then as you survive you get to know people, your training tells you to trust these people as well as your basic gut instinct. so you build walls while fighting along side them and they die horribly around you then you get thrust into a system which you don't like and being cooped up in the colony as big and as enjoyable as it might be for some might be a prison sentence for others, when we see Victor he's drinking at the bar being all depressed while everyone else has a good time the general impression he doesn't get along with the other guardians, we assume he acts this was because he's pissed off with the new people and loosing his friend, but what if he's been like this since the out break, Realizing that any kind of intelligence agency is now gone but too afraid to die by way-of-zombie so you get a pissed off cocky attitude being as reckless as possible socially isolating yourself from the others.

seems a bit far fetched HOWEVER when Saul and Victor got left behind and Saul was being slightly un co-operative in he very nearly looses his cool and storms off but he gets his smarts together and sticks around eventually Saul splits a meal which I'm sure he would of done anyways, spending your time playing games on your time off aka in the ditch room victor had with his buddy for some time to blow off some steam, i belive victor was reading a book when him and saul were waiting for someone to respond to the trip wire, OK I'm not saying that you has anything to do with the whole CIA thing BUT for someone who could be potentially stressed from all these factors even if the CIA thing is false what better form of escapeism than to pick up a book and get lost in the story.

but on the topic of if he is some kind of special agent turned wreckless in the face of a hopeless and lost future where you can barely survive and have to sleep with one eye open and hope you don't get shredded life style from a comfortable consumer life style why would he admit to the insurance salesmen job, i mean yes there is very much a possibility that is true.
probably because given the stress he's under he doesn't want to crack and become important and have everyone die because of him
so he makes himself out to be the least capable person and by least capable being the least knowledgeable "who me? I'm just a salesman, fuck off and leave me alone" given he's playing that he has no skills it simplifies his life greatly he says he knows nothing about communications or power and maybe that's true the last thing you want to do is say that you have some mechanic experiance to find your the most qualified person, then screw up a big project which everyone is counting on you for, when it comes to things like goverments and agencies there's other channels of communciation if things get screwed up, i mean a nuclear disaster can be averted and has done need i point out the Cuban missile crisis so it doesn't seem overall that bad, but knowing if you screw up you can get a lot of good people killed in a battle of nothing but raw survival and resources, I'd say that'll play on a person.

given all that my guess would be he would figure that any agency he did work for is gone and none of it matters, but i mean even if he missed details like cameras and such maybe he doesn't have that kind of mind, maybe his mental strength is in his memory, he remembered names and faces and shift patterns and who's loyal too who only after a couple of months at most of being in a place like the colony?

especially when it had to be built, and a system be set up and supplies and guards had to be organized and maintained, if that was me i would talk to the newly in charge communications guy asking specific questions and taking a part genuine / part faking interest in certain things related to communications, communications are key to agency's like that, but both him and Glenn were on a first name basis if i remember correctly (plays the audio) yes he does, glen is talking and turns the corner "oh hi victor" and victor says in a friendly tone "hey glen" and proceeds to introduce Micheal, long shot i know but if Victor's memory is his strong point and not observation combined with a proficiency in firearms and being a decent marksman he could of been a valuable agent, the deep cover kind, now there's too much audio for me to go through on my own here but i know victor has said on several occasions he doesn't remember but I'm sure that's because he was in a highly stressful situation be it socially, under fire, zombies chasing them down.

does anyone have an idea about that I'm sure he's said "i don't remember" babble babble babble "i was too busy" 'insert excuse here'


what are you thoughts on it now people, sorry its taken em ages to respond been running around IRL destroying part of the universe

I'm just gonna say this finally I'm psyched that i got people interested in my theory i know there's basically nothing to go on other than my gut feeling which is difficult to explain and i can't really offer anything more than my Explinations for that, i know its going to be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot but can i steer some of you into the thought pattern of "why couldn't he be" and to be clear i don't mean that in any kind of dickish way at all I'm just trying to stir up conversation.

[Z Sniper]

Dear Dragon Malice,

Elementary my dear Watson, elementary.

[scbubba]

Dear Dragon Malice,

Elementary my dear Watson, elementary.

Ok, Otto, can you explain it to me then? :-)

[Drogon Malice]

Dear Dragon Malice,

Elementary my dear Watson, elementary.

*is speechless*

[Z Sniper]

Ok, Otto, can you explain it to me then? :-)

Sorry Señor SCBUBBA,...no spoilers allowed. Actually, I don't understand it myself!:cool:

[Drogon Malice]

just my attempt to try and explain my theory a bit better but i realized I've made a huge mistake Victor didn't get to the colony untill after it was built or so he says......i need a job XDD

[Merlin1274]

I think Victor was a Smuggler back in the day. He survived cause he knew how to.

[scbubba]

I think Victor was a Smuggler back in the day. He survived cause he knew how to.

A "Coyote" (people smuggler) or some other type of smuggler?

[Drogon Malice]

what if.... Victor was really Scottish and no one knew...... just saying... just suppose...

[scbubba]

what if.... Victor was really Scottish and no one knew...... just saying... just suppose...

Victor as "The Highlander"? Oh I like that....

There can be only one.... Victor!!!

[LiamKerrington]

or William-Wallace-style: "FREEDOM reloaded!" sound of a rifle being shot

[Merlin1274]

I think Victor was a Smuggler back in the day. He survived cause he knew how to.

He brought people across the border.. I would not think he was a drug smuggler cause he is a decent guy from what I have taken from his character. A kind of Han Solo type..

[Z Sniper]

A Scottsican,....NOW THAT would be quite the accent!

[Witch_Doctor]

A Scottsican,....NOW THAT would be quite the accent!

Kind of like Sean Connery's Russian accent in Hunt for Red Oktober or Patrick Stewart's French accent Star Trek Next Generation.

[Witch_Doctor]

i dunno just something about him, like everything is premeditated "what do you do for a living" "i'm an insurance salesmen" almost no hesitatation there its like it was planned, who knows i'm randomly throwing it out there food for thought and speculation really, he just seems to know his shit is all.

I see the potential for a spin-off prequel.


Victor
Code Name :The Insurance Salesman
Alles klar pendejo?

[Drogon Malice]

(the following is meant as comedy and is not meant to insult anyone in anyway)

so the new theory, a Scottish bloke named Derrek decides to go to America after one night of being Scottish and getting hammered, while hammered he manages to successfully travel to the states buy a plane ticket etc, he comes around with absolutely 0% hang over (being Scottish after all) and realizes he's not in Scotland, instantly becoming riddled with fear he heads to the local watering hole and downs a bottle of tequila where he goes and blacks out in the bathroom, when a couple of locals walk in and see him on the floor, also being drunk they throw on a fake mustache and a sombrero and prop him up inside a one of the stand, the out break occurs and as we all know tequila changes people, so the Scotsman wakes up and staggers to the mirror, and now believes he's Mexican

job done.

lol again just kidding around with that, no offense is meant by it, i still hold that victor is some kind of spy with like copious levels of guns and a bat mobile at his disposal

Otto, your the man!



(edit: i know I'm gonna get some stick for this LOL)

[scbubba]

(the following is meant as comedy and is not meant to insult anyone in anyway)

so the new theory, a Scottish bloke named Derrek decides to go to America after one night of being Scottish and getting hammered, while hammered he manages to successfully travel to the states buy a plane ticket etc, he comes around with absolutely 0% hang over (being Scottish after all) and realizes he's not in Scotland, instantly becoming riddled with fear he heads to the local watering hole and downs a bottle of tequila where he goes and blacks out in the bathroom, when a couple of locals walk in and see him on the floor, also being drunk they throw on a fake mustache and a sombrero and prop him up inside a one of the stand, the out break occurs and as we all know tequila changes people, so the Scotsman wakes up and staggers to the mirror, and now believes he's Mexican

job done.

lol again just kidding around with that, no offense is meant by it, i still hold that victor is some kind of spy with like copious levels of guns and a bat mobile at his disposal

Otto, your the man!


Wow, Drogon Malice, I knew tequila could mess with someone's brain, but didn't realize it had *that* much power.... What sort of tequila do you think they served our Highland Mexican friend?

[zombeh-kitteh]

LOL! I love these threads, especially concerning one of my "new" favorite characters, Victor. I was pretty much sold on me liking him and rooting for his survival when he and Saul were doing surviellance on the garden and he picked up "Lord of the Flies" to read. I was like, Oh, yes...people who read need to survive! That, and he's hilarious. Gotta love that sarcasm and deadpan way of his.

Do I believe he's CIA or some other such thing? I'm going out on a limb and going to say that I kind of don't want him to be subversive like that...I kind of like to think of him as a normal, hardworking guy working a few jobs (He says he was an insurance salesman "among other things"), going home, having a beer with some homemade enchiladas (those things are great!) and like reading a book and maybe watching a "football" game before going to bed. (That's football as in soccer, btw)

Then the proverbial shit hits the proverbial fan and he just goes into survival mode, he just makes up his mind that he's not going to die like this, and gets all badass. I also think that he probably just learned through observation how to avoid the zombies and learned that cologne is an effective way to throw those beasts off his scent long enough for a feasible escape (he was Recon, after all).

IMO, Victor is just a home-grown badass mutha****er. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think We're Alive already has plenty of secrets and conspiracies that still need to be unravelled and exposed.

But if I'm wrong...then that's okay too! That's part of the reason this show is so awesome :)

[Z Sniper]

Home-Grown Badass Mutha****er is my maiden name,....along with Velasquez-Montoya-Serrano-Chile-Grande-Y-Picoso!

[Duffusmonkey]

I agree with Zombeh-Kitteh. VICTOR IS ROCKY BALBOA! Running though the streets of his town, eating raw eggs Stabbing Zombies in the eye.

Victor was just a insurance salesman who never lived up to his potential because he never pushed himself hard enough. BUT when everything hits the fan he realizes that there are no more second chances in his life. He must give 110% NOW! The harder he pushes himself the more potential he realizes that he has.

VICTOR JUST WANTS TO GO THE DISTANCE! and get a little strange on the side.

I salute you Victor! The Most intersting fictional podcast character in the world!

[Duffusmonkey]

Home-Grown Badass Mutha****er is my maiden name,....along with Velasquez-Montoya-Serrano-Chile-Grande-Y-Picoso!

You are definitely the must Bad Ass Pastel painter I know!

You don't get to be a Signature Member of the Pastel Society of America without pushing a few boundaries.

[Z Sniper]

I agree with Zombeh-Kitteh. VICTOR IS ROCKY BALBOA! Running though the streets of his town, eating raw eggs Stabbing Zombies in the eye.

Victor was just a insurance salesman who never lived up to his potential because he never pushed himself hard enough. BUT when everything hits the fan he realizes that there are no more second chances in his life. He must give 110% NOW! The harder he pushes himself the more potential he realizes that he has.

VICTOR JUST WANTS TO GO THE DISTANCE! and get a little strange on the side.

I salute you Victor! The Most intersting fictional podcast character in the world!

I raise a mighty goblet to you my friend,....a toast to you,...the sanest person on this forum!

[Z Sniper]

You are definitely the must Bad Ass Pastel painter I know!

You don't get to be a Signature Member of the Pastel Society of America without pushing a few boundaries.

I'm so tough,....I EAT PASTELS FOR BREAKFAST! lol

[Osiris]

I'm so tough,....I EAT PASTELS FOR BREAKFAST! lol

And then poops masterpieces.

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

Victor is the only non-delphin being who knows the correct question to the answer "42." He defines the meaning of awesomeness better than the Oxford dictionary.

[Osiris]

He's also short.

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

He's also short.

If this is the case, I hope for season 4 that Kelly's feelings towards him will not be best described by this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR2wE1U-8Jk

[Cabbage Patch]

Victor is the only non-delphin being who knows the correct question to the answer "42." He defines the meaning of awesomeness better than the Oxford dictionary.

Victor is immune to the effects of the Empathy Gun; he's tough enough to feel your pain and still choke the life out of you.

[Duffusmonkey]

And then poops masterpieces.


FOUND IT! http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FC79T9UGX3LREBG.jpeg

[Osiris]

FOUND IT! http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FC79T9UGX3LREBG.jpeg

FUCK. I just about lost my shit.

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

Victor is immune to the effects of the Empathy Gun; he's tough enough to feel your pain and still choke the life out of you.

+1 Cannot rep you at the moment again.

[Z Sniper]

And then poops masterpieces.

My secret is out!! lol

[Z Sniper]

If this is the case, I hope for season 4 that Kelly's feelings towards him will not be best described by this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR2wE1U-8Jk

That is some funny shit!

[Z Sniper]

FUCK. I just about lost my shit.

Ditto that!

[Cammi]

Dont worry victor will save the day he is always saving everyones asses go victor!!!