What was in Bill's desk?

[symon_r]

On my first listen through to the chapter I was struck that Angel had found something significant in Bill's desk and I'm wondering what it could be. We know that his journal was in there but I think there was something else and I bring as my evidence the following:

@31.33: Kalani has started his final run and says "do me a favour, there's something in Bill's desk I want you to have"

To me that doesn't sound like the sort of way you talk about a journal, unless of course there is a signficant revelation inside

@44.06: Angel starts rummaging through the desk and says "Here it is [pause] what the hell is this?" before being interupted by Michael calling him back to the roof

If it was just the journal would he really have reacted in that way? He certainly didn't have enough time to read anything from it

@45.20: After Lady is put into Hope's backpack Angel says "I'll be these in there too; they are Kalani's journal"

It may be nothing but he definetely says "they" as in more than one thing

@52.13 Scratch tells Bricks "put him with the old man, I've found what I was looking for"

And if I am wrong about the previous point then perhaps the body they found is Angel's and Scratch retrieves something from him. For me though this is a weak point but its definetely a maybe particularly as she says "what" not "who" although the "what" could equally be evidence that the rat was no longer with the survivers

Also, I haven't checked back on previous chapters but didn't Tanya scan all the journals and then destroy them?

If there was something else in the desk I think it is most likely that it was a radio or something that Kalani had used to communicate with the Mallers and it will tie into revelations uncovered from his journal at the start of the next season.

My friends - the floor is yours.

[Ra1th]

I was under the impression that it was just the journal in Bill's desk, but you make a damn good case. I'm convinced, too bad we have to wait all through summer break to find out what it is that scratch found. And more importantly, if Angel had at least one of Kalani's mystery item on him that he didnt manage to throw into Hope's bag, then the body Scratch finds is Angel and he is alive.

[GD_Elite]

I'm pretty sure it was just Kalani's journal. I think Angel said "Journals". Perhaps Kalani had 2 journals, one where he told the truth, and one where he lied. Kalani would have told Angel, so that he could read for himself, rather than Kalani having to explain it all before he died. I think Angel would have gone "What the hell" if all he found was a journal. He could have been expecting something more useful.

Tanya was in the process of scanning all the journals when Pippin got shot. Is is unclear whether she continued after the events, and there is no mention of her finishing and/or destroying any of the journals.

[Castaway5]

I like the idea of Kalani having two journals, because Angel would have known what Kalani's journal looked like and that wouldn't of been it.

[reaper239]

possibly but why would kalani write his deception and risk discovery? it's possible he did that sure but i just don't know. and also when angel is rifling through bills desk, it sounds like more than journals. now while it is possible that it was just junk, it could also be more.

[Grognaurd]

I am also a bit lost here. I thought of a twist that I have not seen posted. Kinda cheezy, but Kalani was all about Kalani. A picture of Kalani and his Girl Hana...

[StepLaugh]

If it was JUST the journal, I honestly doubt Kalani would write in it. I'M THE RAT, he would just leave it out. ...right?

EDIT: reaper239 Just pretty much said the same thing

[yarri]

Bill's desk, keys to the stash... some paper clips... maybe..a dried out pen some hand lotion an m n m?

[Solanine]

I'm quite sure angel put the contents of the desk into Hope's back pack. I'll listen again to check but I'm unsure as too what Scar faced bitch meant.

[NoReality95]

I notice how Kalani says "That little girl, that's my Hannah", what if it wasn't just a journal, but a picture that Angel was confused about? A photo that has Kalani, Hannah, and someone who seems to not fit in the role of being Kalani's "photo-buddy".

[cheesehead1493]

what if Kalani, was saying Scratch's real name is Hannah and shes his daughter. When it comes to the desk i think it was a picture of him and scratch and latch all together in like a family photo

[Solanine]

hmmm, I must listen again I could have sworn Kalani said the red head (executed) was his daughter.

[cheesehead1493]

If he did say that, I totally missed it. Just another reason to listen again lol. How would he have known though that it was her? they never actually saw her face before or after she was shot.

[Conejita]

He says "That girl, that was my Hannah". He doesn't apply any other physical description.

[Solanine]

Must have miss heard. The whole thing is one big cluster f***in my mind. I will listen again tonight.

[Adogg]

Ahhhh ha! Kalani was the rat. I was just thinking what would make Angel say WTH is this? A journal - no. He'd expect to find that. A picture no. But ....


How about a picture of Kalani's daughter tied up with Scratch? Maybe something that tells the story of "here is why I'm the rat but just trying to save my daughter"? Basically, Kalani was being blackmailed into helping the Mallers.

Seeing a prrof of life picture of Kalani's daughter would diffently make you say WTH. It is also the kinda thing you keep and cry about. Maybe look at when you feel really guilty about what you are doing.

Now, was he able to kill Pippin? Not sure where he was at that time...

[cheesehead1493]

well he was driving to LAX with Datu but the timeline could have been messed up. That picture of her tied up though would mean nothing to Angel seeing as he wasnt on the mission so him going wth would make sense. I do like the kalani is the rat argument jsut because it would also clear up how the mallers learned about the arena. once hes free he radio's them looking for his daughter, they make some deal to screw over the tower, presto-chango he's now a rat. i still dont think hes the only one though. i still think that the original rat is alive and well with the tower people

[timberwoof]

Could the other item possibly be the silenced pistol?

[nikvoodoo]

Could the other item possibly be the silenced pistol?

Only if you can figure out when he would have had time to put anything in Bill's desk after Pippin's assassination. Once Pippin was assassinated, Kalani was gone from the Tower...forever. He presumably never went back inside it's walls. He returned from LAX after inspecting the Jolly Green Giant to pick up Angel and Riley, returned in the Bell only to drop Angel off and take off to LAX to pick up Pegs for training. After that we know what his movements were because it was all covered pretty clearly by chapter 24.

We certainly know Kalani isn't capable of climbing 10 some odd flights of stairs and still escape the Tower after shooting Pippin without being caught, so if he was the assassin he would have ditched the gun somewhere else in the building and not upstairs.

[Adogg]

Plus a silenced pistol would not make Angel say WTH. He would have said something like .... "Holy S$%^&!" or "That rat!" ... I stay with my theory that it was something shocking - ie a photo of Kalani's kid with Scratch holding a gun to her head.

[Ares13]

If Kalani and Scratch are related you'd think he'd show a lot more of a hatred towards the tower and possibly try to assassinate pegs as well while he was trying to teach her to fly. I mean If Latch was your son you'd have a hard time putting on a face for everyone. Especially if you're doing something nice for the one who killed your son

[Terrence TacOne Williams]

if anyone remembers, the episode when Tanya gets grabbed by the zombies, either Micheal or Angel goes outside after her, and they see a girl zombie specifically dragging Tanya away. He looks at the zombie and says, "Hannah?" and then shoots it to save Tanya. Remember, Micheal says something at one point about a girl they knew named Hannah, but they never go in-depth about it.

[nikvoodoo]

if anyone remembers, the episode when Tanya gets grabbed by the zombies, either Micheal or Angel goes outside after her, and they see a girl zombie specifically dragging Tanya away. He looks at the zombie and says, "Hannah?" and then shoots it to save Tanya. Remember, Micheal says something at one point about a girl they knew named Hannah, but they never go in-depth about it.

That was actually Randy, the zombie of unknown origins but Michael knows who he is. 23-1 ~12:00. I don't think we've ever heard Hannah's name mentioned until Kalani was about to go kamikaze on the Tanker.

[Damianjh]

Could the other item possibly be the silenced pistol?

That's what I think because when Angel opens the desk draw you can hear something metallic rattling / rolling (bullets maybe?)

[Daniel Glenn]

There are definitely two journals that Angel took from Bert’s desk. I think one is a truthful journal that Kalani has been writing, which will explain a lot of things in the coming season; the other journal was a dummy that Kalani kept to turn in. I recall that Tanya had asked Angel (or Michael?) if he’d read all of the journals, and then dropped the subject because Angel (or Michael?) got a little pissy about her questioning. I think that she noticed some inconsistencies within Kalani’s dummy journal and those of other survivor’s.

[cleeprevo]

It sounded like a picture to me, well that's what I think. Maybe Kalani could of had kids. That scene kinda reminds me of I Am Legend when he takes the picture of his family and a grenade at the end. So that's what comes to mind when I listen to that scene. But I don't think it could be, Kalani would be carrying the picture with him. Its more of a reason for Angel to still be alive, he has the mystery item.

[nikvoodoo]

It sounded like a picture to me, well that's what I think. Maybe Kalani could of had kids. That scene kinda reminds me of I Am Legend when he takes the picture of his family and a grenade at the end. So that's what comes to mind when I listen to that scene. But I don't think it could be, Kalani would be carrying the picture with him. Its more of a reason for Angel to still be alive, he has the mystery item.

Angel does not have the mystery item. Hope does. Angel put it in her backpack before she went across the zipline.

[usmcludwig]

if anyone remembers, the episode when Tanya gets grabbed by the zombies, either Micheal or Angel goes outside after her, and they see a girl zombie specifically dragging Tanya away. He looks at the zombie and says, "Hannah?" and then shoots it to save Tanya. Remember, Micheal says something at one point about a girl they knew named Hannah, but they never go in-depth about it.

He says "Randy!" Randy is a guys name. He hasn't been expanded upon.

[usmcludwig]

if anyone remembers, the episode when Tanya gets grabbed by the zombies, either Micheal or Angel goes outside after her, and they see a girl zombie specifically dragging Tanya away. He looks at the zombie and says, "Hannah?" and then shoots it to save Tanya. Remember, Micheal says something at one point about a girl they knew named Hannah, but they never go in-depth about it.

He says "Randy!" Randy is a guys name. He hasn't been expanded upon.

But my opinion is that Kalani is NOT the rat, but he knew who it was and didn't confess for some reason (probably hannah)

[cleeprevo]

Then my hope for Angel to still be alive is gone... but now i'm even more curious. Maybe it could be something from when they both first went out on the scavenging party together. But I don't know, I got mixed up at he end. Kinda sounded like he just wanted Angel to have it.

[GD_Elite]

Angel had Kalani's Journals, which he put in Hope's bag. The only realistic reason that he could have had them is if he took them from Bill's desk.

However, this does not completely rule out the possibility that there was something else in the desk. I don't believe this is the case, but in theory there could be another item. All that Angel confirmed to put in Hope's bag were the journals, which could mean there is a possibility that Angel could still have a different this item on his person, which might mean it was what Scratch was looking for.

Just something for all you people who like crazy theories. I think its just the Journals though.

[usmcludwig]

All that Angel confirmed to put in Hope's bag were the journals, which could mean there is a possibility that Angel could still have a different this item on his person, which might mean it was what Scratch was looking for.

Just something for all you people who like crazy theories. I think its just the Journals though.

Indeed so good sir. Tho I could see the purpose and value in the journals- I think it may be something far out that we cant predict.


Maybe it could be something from when they both first went out on the scavenging party together. But I don't know, I got mixed up at he end. Kinda sounded like he just wanted Angel to have it.

Like this idea here- it could be an unknown-unknown as are previous Führer's assistant, Donald Rumsfield would say

[dontkillburt]

Then my hope for Angel to still be alive is gone... but now i'm even more curious. Maybe it could be something from when they both first went out on the scavenging party together. But I don't know, I got mixed up at he end. Kinda sounded like he just wanted Angel to have it.

I wouldn't give up hope on Angel just yet. Although one would think that falling from the top of a crumbling 15-story apartment building would kill most people, there is still a chance. Poster Werewolf put out a scenario whereby Angel managed to latch himself to the landing gear of Peg's chopper via his zip line harness moments before she pulled away from the building. Since Michael commented that he could no longer see Angel as they pulled back, there is a remote possibility that he did just that.

But again, a getaway would sure blow a big hole in those of us (including myself) that believe that Angel is the person Scratch and co. found in the rubble and put with "the old man". If this happened, then I cannot believe Angel will survive far into season 3. His injuries should be about as fatal as they could possibly get considering a 15-floor plunge.

I agree with you that it sounded like Kalani wanted Angel to have whatever it was in Bill's drawer. If it were just a journal, Kalani would have wanted Michael to have it, not Angel, since Michael was the one who insisted on everyone keeping one. There was something else in that drawer and now I think Scratch has it, whatever it is.

[nikvoodoo]

Remember all: People survive buildings collapsing. Pasquale Buzzelli survived the Twin Towers attack and he was on the 22nd floor at the time the Tower he was in fell. (http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sept11/2003/n_9189/) Just because the building collapsed does not mean Angel has to be dead. Nor does it mean he will die from his injuries per se. If he is with the Mallers, they might actually nurse him back to health (probably so they have the satisfaction of killing him from full health....who knows...)

There's other reasons why Kalani might want Angel to get his journals first vs. Michael. If Kalani wrote something that really needs a filter first, Angel is a better choice than Michael. If Kalani was the rat (I don't think he was) and he wrote a confession, he might want to admit his wrong doing to his friend first and let him explain it to the rest. Kalani and Michael never got along, but Angel and Kalani formed a strong friendship through their ordeals.

[JusticePain]

I think it was the gun Pippin was killed with

[PirateBeew]

Can i also just mention it was in "BILLS" desk? who is bill was he the dude at the top of the tower who was an A**ehole right at the beginning when burt shot the gun out his hand? and what was said item doing in there in the first place? and why would kalani put it in bills desk? you ever thought bill could be the under cover person? he didn't like them being in his apartment block and no one knew how he got in there in the first place?

[werewolf]

i think it was all that porn that Lizzie found. He stole the food and ammo. why not the porn as well?

[usmcludwig]

Can i also just mention it was in "BILLS" desk? who is bill was he the dude at the top of the tower who was an A**ehole right at the beginning when burt shot the gun out his hand? and what was said item doing in there in the first place? and why would kalani put it in bills desk? you ever thought bill could be the under cover person? he didn't like them being in his apartment block and no one knew how he got in there in the first place?

Bill was the buildings owner.
Why Kalani put it in Bills desk is probably because Bill died way earlier and probably didn't have much use for it in his current state of you know- not living.

Just a hunch.

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

There are definitely two journals that Angel took from Bert’s desk. I think one is a truthful journal that Kalani has been writing, which will explain a lot of things in the coming season; the other journal was a dummy that Kalani kept to turn in. I recall that Tanya had asked Angel (or Michael?) if he’d read all of the journals, and then dropped the subject because Angel (or Michael?) got a little pissy about her questioning. I think that she noticed some inconsistencies within Kalani’s dummy journal and those of other survivor’s.

I was thinking it was something like that. Perhaps an account of what happened in the tower as well as his experiences in the arena. He didn't have to write about either experience in the journal he gave in since he could have feigned ignorance and said he couldn't remember much when he had a vivid memory of the entire experience.

As for Tanya digitizing the journals, I think she was still in the middle of them when she was talking to Michael about the different accounts people had and stormed out the room after Michael was being "pissy" or something. She was then rendered unconscious by one of the "zombies," dragged off by Randy, rescued by Michael and was in a "coma" for a few days so she might not have finished them before the attack.

And as nikvoodoo suggested, people can survive from a collapsing building (a la 9/11) so I wouldn't rule out a number of them surviving. To be completely honest, I've been wondering where Saul and Victor went/were after climbing out of the humvee? Were they captured? Did they escape somewhere? Ugh still a few more months away from knowing.

[nikvoodoo]

I think Tanya might have been done scanning. I have no way of proving that at this moment, but it seems like she would need all the journals scanned to make the type of connection. /assumptions

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

I think Tanya might have been done scanning. I have no way of proving that at this moment, but it seems like she would need all the journals scanned to make the type of connection. /assumptions

Too bad there is no way of really knowing until the next season O_o. I wonder what she found?

[nikvoodoo]

Angel's doodles involving big hearts with his and Riley's names inside them?

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

Angel's doodles involving big hearts with his and Riley's names inside them?

That could possibly be something she found, but probably not the thing that she was referring to when Michael was being dismissive of her discovery. Good theory though :o

[werewolf]

how about a copy of Max Brooks World War Z

[nikvoodoo]

Well I think this thread can be locked and put to rest officially after last chapter.

Bill's Desk=Kalani's Journal.