Loopholes & Inconsistencies

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Morning Troops!

Crowbar here. Your mission today is to post your insights about loopholes aka "Big Oops" you've found in the We're Alive universe!

KC has been so kind to ask Burt to shoot holes in a few of mine, so this thread gives Burt a chance for more target practice. Hell, Riley may even unlimber the bow.

So.. The Line is ready!! Shooters ready?? Fire!

[j0be]

I posted these elsewhere, and KC has already debunked both:
(1) The floors in the tower magically change from 10 to 15
In chapter 2-1, Michael states "It took several attempts to bring the last one of those things on the ninth floor. But there would be time to rest later, we only had one more to go"
Ambiguous writing. The two statements aren't meant to be paired together.

(2) Continuity with the the hummer's hatch
In chapter 2-3 ~15:30, Saul says, "Look at this, we now have a hatch"
In chapter 1-2 ~4:10, Michael tells Pegs and Riley, "Climb through the hatch."
KC stated that Saul made it so the hatch could close, (not creating a new one altogether)

[Rock Daddy]

I was confused back in chapter 20-1. But Kc probably explained it, being the literary genius that he is. Datu stated that he went to the new guard room on the 5th floor by Lizzy and Steven. But then, at 3:14 he says Burt enters from the 3rd floor, and he confronts them. What happened to the 4th floor? I didn't understand how he came from the 3rd floor into the 5th floor, without anyone moving.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

I posted these elsewhere, and KC has already debunked both:
(1) The floors in the tower magically change from 10 to 15
In chapter 2-1, Michael states "It took several attempts to bring the last one of those things on the ninth floor. But there would be time to rest later, we only had one more to go"
Ambiguous writing. The two statements aren't meant to be paired together.

(2) Continuity with the the hummer's hatch
In chapter 2-3 ~15:30, Saul says, "Look at this, we now have a hatch"
In chapter 1-2 ~4:10, Michael tells Pegs and Riley, "Climb through the hatch."
KC stated that Saul made it so the hatch could close, (not creating a new one altogether)

J0be,

I started this thread off KC's comment in the... er, crap! I forgot which thread it was (maybe the 2 helo's one). Anyway, he commented on making a thread like this. So, I did.

I have one big beef and that's from the very first episode:

Lt. Angel.. Rank and first name instead of Rank and last name (Tunundo).

[Kc]

I was confused back in chapter 20-1. But Kc probably explained it, being the literary genius that he is. Datu stated that he went to the new guard room on the 5th floor by Lizzy and Steven. But then, at 3:14 he says Burt enters from the 3rd floor, and he confronts them. What happened to the 4th floor? I didn't understand how he came from the 3rd floor into the 5th floor, without anyone moving.

You're right. This is a mistake. We'll be fixing it for the remastered version. You get a point ;)

[Kc]

I have one big beef and that's from the very first episode:

Lt. Angel.. Rank and first name instead of Rank and last name (Tunundo).
Good Catch. You get a point too. I should have had him say his full name and rank. Something we can fix perhaps. As a bonus easter egg, in an old version he said the "Short Blonde" and now it's Tall Blonde. And one other mistake to add to the pile. Michael Describes Lizzy's eyes as being Blue, when in fact they're green.

[Rock Daddy]

Whoo-hoo! Is the remastered version going to be another boxed set? I want to buy it when it's available!

[Kc]

Whoo-hoo! Is the remastered version going to be another boxed set? I want to buy it when it's available!
Yup. The first season will be the same, unless we fix those two things and there was a minor glitch in Chapter 4.

[cycogod]

Yup. The first season will be the same, unless we fix those two things and there was a minor glitch in Chapter 4.


another box set for season 1 ?

[Kc]

The new publisher is re-printing season 1. So there will be another Box set as the current version is going out of print.

[j0be]

The new publisher is re-printing season 1. So there will be another Box set as the current version is going out of print.

Is the artwork being redone, or is it just a repress from a different publisher?

[Kc]

It'll be a little different. Different style.

[CantWaitForSeason3]

Oh man First Edition Box set? I placing my order now.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Good Catch. You get a point too. I should have had him say his full name and rank. Something we can fix perhaps. As a bonus easter egg, in an old version he said the "Short Blonde" and now it's Tall Blonde. And one other mistake to add to the pile. Michael Describes Lizzy's eyes as being Blue, when in fact they're green.

LOL.. thanks,
That was keeping me up at night!

[Leedo2502]

Good Catch. You get a point too. I should have had him say his full name and rank. Something we can fix perhaps. As a bonus easter egg, in an old version he said the "Short Blonde" and now it's Tall Blonde. And one other mistake to add to the pile. Michael Describes Lizzy's eyes as being Blue, when in fact they're green.

Not to crap on CrowBar's point, I took it as a sign of no respect for Angel. In Iraq our Convoy Escort Team leader was kinda stupic and completly incompetent and I called him by his first name, Doug, all the time. It even went further and instead of saying something was "Effed-Up" we said it was "Douged up" LOL! He got fired...

Again CrowBar Not trying to crap on your point, cause you know I love the Air Force!!

[Leedo2502]

LOL.. thanks,
That was keeping me up at night!

You know I just see this as dramatic license... Saul doesn't call Michael "Sgt. Cross" and Michael doesnt call Saul "Tink" (or any of the obvious nicknames he'd get at having "Tink" as a last name LOL). I couldn't tell you the first name of my first 3 room mates on Active Duty, and honestly the only reason I knew the First names of people in my squad in Iraq was I instituted "First Name Friday's"...

[Don Man]

I have found a flaw in the We're Alive Universe. In chapter 2 part 2 at 8.34 Mickael says, "she had finaly shut off some ugly outside world and let her gorgeous blue eyes shine across the table" but in many other chapters characters always say that she has green eyes for example in chapter 7 part 3 after coming back from tagging the zombies saul says, "come on blondy, open those big green eyes". So yeah thats the flaw I have found.

[j0be]

I have found a flaw in the We're Alive Universe. In chapter 2 part 2 at 8.34 Mickael says, "she had finaly shut off some ugly outside world and let her gorgeous blue eyes shine across the table" but in many other chapters characters always say that she has green eyes for example in chapter 7 part 3 after coming back from tagging the zombies saul says, "come on blondy, open those big green eyes". So yeah thats the flaw I have found.

Yep. Good eye. Sorry to rain on your parade, but KC already addressed it in this thread.


And one other mistake to add to the pile. Michael Describes Lizzy's eyes as being Blue, when in fact they're green.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

You know I just see this as dramatic license... Saul doesn't call Michael "Sgt. Cross" and Michael doesnt call Saul "Tink" (or any of the obvious nicknames he'd get at having "Tink" as a last name LOL). I couldn't tell you the first name of my first 3 room mates on Active Duty, and honestly the only reason I knew the First names of people in my squad in Iraq was I instituted "First Name Friday's"...

Leedo,

But we NEVER say rank and FIRST name. That's what happened in the show and Angel introduced himself the same way. It is a sign of disrespect is we call a higher up by their first name tho. Mike and Saul call each other by their first names with no rank. They are reservists after all. You Army guys are way anal about calling someone's rank right. We don't give a F if you call us Sergeant no matter the grade (except E9), You guys will blow a nerve ending if that happens.. LOL


I have found a flaw in the We're Alive Universe. In chapter 2 part 2 at 8.34 Mickael says, "she had finaly shut off some ugly outside world and let her gorgeous blue eyes shine across the table" but in many other chapters characters always say that she has green eyes for example in chapter 7 part 3 after coming back from tagging the zombies saul says, "come on blondy, open those big green eyes". So yeah thats the flaw I have found.

Hey Don,
Look about 3 posts up and you'll see that KC has already admitted to that one.

[COsurvivor]

So I was listening to the Season 1 Box set today and I heard something in the background in Chapter 1-1...

After Michael leaves his class, you hear a news broadcast... The anchor talks about how an area around LA and Downtown San Diego has rioters! OOPS!

Umm, how can this happen in 2 places at once??? We have moved away from San Diego and focus on LA being the epicenter of the "outbreak".

[shananala8]

So I was listening to the Season 1 Box set today and I heard something in the background in Chapter 1-1...

After Michael leaves his class, you hear a news broadcast... The anchor talks about how an area around LA and Downtown San Diego has rioters! OOPS!

Umm, how can this happen in 2 places at once??? We have moved away from San Diego and focus on LA being the epicenter of the "outbreak".

They make mention of it happening in several metropolitan areas and as we know from Kalani, they popped up in Hawaii too. This isn't just a localized event, otherwise, at some point in the 4 or so months this has been going on, we would have seen some sign of the outside world checking out what has happened in LA.

[Don Man]

Yep. Good eye. Sorry to rain on your parade, but KC already addressed it in this thread.

Thanks for telling me that KC had pointed that out I must have not seen that

[Teethingbiscuit]

They make mention of it happening in several metropolitan areas and as we know from Kalani, they popped up in Hawaii too. This isn't just a localized event, otherwise, at some point in the 4 or so months this has been going on, we would have seen some sign of the outside world checking out what has happened in LA.

Good. I didn't know or still don't realize that the outbreak was simultaneous. It is important if the spread was from several points or if it was centered in LA/SanDiego. I think we have all seen a movie that shows an outbreak or spread of something taking over the world in 48hrs:)

As to the loopholes and inconsistencies I have none at this time... and then I remembered the posts about Ink diving out the window and someone computed Ink hit 80 mph as he went from 200 yrds to 300 yrds. By the time Bert shot, Ink should have been at 500yrds! Now that is a pistol shot even for Shirly!
TB

[Grognaurd]

Minor one

In Separate Dying Embers Part 2 ~ 9:30. Datu is sent upstairs to get the "Gas" tanks. He says they are empty and is told to siphon some from the Generator.

They may be Gas Tanks, but I would have them labeled DIESEL and reprimand anyone who called them “gas tanks” to reinforce that there are two different fuels and using one for the other is BAD.

It is most likely a Diesel Generator. Saul calls it as such and to preserve diesel supplies they take the hybrid instead of the Humvee and they got a tanker full of Diesel in Lady and the Tink.

If the generator is filled with Diesel, one cannot siphon gas from it. One would get Diesel and Diesel does not really “explode” like gasoline. If he got Diesel instead of gas, it would not explode when it was hit by bullets, but it would most likely set the ground on fire for a while rather than explode when hit by the flare.

BUT, most importantly there are ZOMBIES running around. So, I am more than willing to extend my disbelief and go a bit on faith. 8)

Possible work arounds…
(Paraphrased)

Michael: you know the “gas” tanks by the generator

Datu say, They are empty

Michael Siphon some gas from the generator

Datu Its DIESEL

Michael: JUST DO IT.

Datu, Fine but it is not going to work anyway…


IN part 3 When I listened to it the first time, I thought explosion. The second time it was more ambiguous. When they throw the flares ensure the sound affect is much more like flames than explosion. Then, have a character point to the visual

“Look at that wall of fire! It will be a while before anymore can get into the lobby.”

[nikvoodoo]

Minor one

In Separate Dying Embers Part 2 ~ 9:30. Datu is sent upstairs to get the "Gas" tanks. He says they are empty and is told to siphon some from the Generator.

They may be Gas Tanks, but I would have them labeled DIESEL .....

I'm not exactly sure what your argument for an inconsistency is. Are you saying its because Michael called the canisters used to transport the diesel fuel "Gas cans?" That's just kinda semantics. You would transport diesel in gas cans. You get diesel fuel from a gas station. I understand the difference but is it that much of a difference that if I said to someone "Siphon off gas from that engine" they would need to say "Its diesel, not gas." ? Besides, at the moment, the only fuel source they have access to is the diesel from the tanker they stole from the mallers. They haven't been transporting any other variety in the series.

The sound we hear when the flares are thrown at the gas cans is consistent with the "WHOMPH" sound you would expect to hear in comparison to the pipe bomb explosions/Tanker bomb explosions we've heard else where in the series. (Time hack: 13-3, ~8:15)

[Grognaurd]

yea, you are right. It is more than semantics and not worth mentioning. Delete my two posts, it would keep the thread cleaner. One of these days, I am going to have to try vodka and diesel molotavs. I do not think they will work. Alcohol does not burn very hot and does not give off a lot of heat and a lot of that heat is going to be consumed in the separation of the alcohol form the water. Diesel does not vaporize well and really limits its burn rate to a two dimensional surface area

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Arthur,

Pure alcohol molotovs have worked fine for hundreds of years! Whatever you hit...burns.
Since you're talking about creating a new kind, i'd add some kind of gel based item like lard to the mix. Make different versions of homemade Napalm or Greek Fire.

[Grognaurd]

Pure Alcohol is one thing. Popping a cloth in any ol bottle of booze one has left over is another. But, maybe there was a lush in the tower and they had stacks of 151. We could look it up, but I do not think stuff below 100proof burns. yea, I am not trying to reinvent the wheel. I am just trying to put the classic homemade off the shelf and have it burn and ignite other objects.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Pure Alcohol is one thing. Popping a cloth in any ol bottle of booze one has left over is another. But, maybe there was a lush in the tower and they had stacks of 151. We could look it up, but I do not think stuff below 100proof burns. yea, I am not trying to reinvent the wheel. I am just trying to put the classic homemade off the shelf and have it burn and ignite other objects.

I knew I should have corrected that "Pure" term. I guess I was simply trying to say that Uncle Coot's Jim Bean has worked pretty good for a long time. LOL.

[Kc]

Good. I didn't know or still don't realize that the outbreak was simultaneous. It is important if the spread was from several points or if it was centered in LA/SanDiego. I think we have all seen a movie that shows an outbreak or spread of something taking over the world in 48hrs:)

As to the loopholes and inconsistencies I have none at this time... and then I remembered the posts about Ink diving out the window and someone computed Ink hit 80 mph as he went from 200 yrds to 300 yrds. By the time Bert shot, Ink should have been at 500yrds! Now that is a pistol shot even for Shirly!
TB

Burt grabbed his rifle. Wasn't a pistol. And, in a way we tried to imply a slow down in time as it focuses on Burt's breath. But either way it was a LONG shot.

[Kc]

yea, you are right. It is more than semantics and not worth mentioning. Delete my two posts, it would keep the thread cleaner. One of these days, I am going to have to try vodka and diesel molotavs. I do not think they will work. Alcohol does not burn very hot and does not give off a lot of heat and a lot of that heat is going to be consumed in the separation of the alcohol form the water. Diesel does not vaporize well and really limits its burn rate to a two dimensional surface area
Don't delete them, I liked them. There are some good points made there.

[Private Parts]

Dont know if this has been mentioned but when they first found MR.Whiskers saul said he kina liked cats. Then when they found lady he said cats suck!

Parts

[Grognaurd]

Very minor, but I do not know if it is important to future plot elements.

In R&R Part 2 ~12:55 Michael says they have put a new Pad lock on Burt's room.
In ALN Part 3 ~15:22 Burt asks Angel if he remembers the combo to his office

No problem, locks could have been changed at some point. Burt could be speaking in Code. Different rooms. But, if there is a clue is "follow the key", it may be confusing.

[Grognaurd]

I remembered the posts about Ink diving out the window and someone computed Ink hit 80 mph as he went from 200 yrds to 300 yrds. By the time Bert shot, Ink should have been at 500yrds! Now that is a pistol shot even for Shirly!
TB

There is some time dilation there. Burt goes to his room and gets a round (all he could find) for the M16. Dead air or frivolous dialogue would spoil the moment. So, it is a rifle, not a pistol and the time is not 1:1

[j0be]

Minor one:
Chapter 1-3: 13:40
Michael says 14 flights of stairs for Angel to climb to the top floor. It would be 13 flights of stairs to get to the top floor. 14 to get to the roof.

[Creem_Filling]

Dont know if this has been mentioned but when they first found MR.Whiskers saul said he kina liked cats. Then when they found lady he said cats suck!

I hate dogs. But if someone asked me to kill one, I would probably say I kinda like dogs too, because I don't hate them enough to kill them.

[Kc]

Very minor, but I do not know if it is important to future plot elements.

In R&R Part 2 ~12:55 Michael says they have put a new Pad lock on Burt's room.
In ALN Part 3 ~15:22 Burt asks Angel if he remembers the combo to his office

No problem, locks could have been changed at some point. Burt could be speaking in Code. Different rooms. But, if there is a clue is "follow the key", it may be confusing.

Yeah, it's a different room now.The old one was on one of the destroyed floors.



Minor one:
Chapter 1-3: 13:40
Michael says 14 flights of stairs for Angel to climb to the top floor. It would be 13 flights of stairs to get to the top floor. 14 to get to the roof.

Yup, I'll chalk that one up to just a misconception. Good catch-


Dont know if this has been mentioned but when they first found MR.Whiskers saul said he kina liked cats. Then when they found lady he said cats suck!

Parts
That one's intentional. He was trying to show off at first. He grew up with his Mom being a vet, so he has an affinity for all animals.

[j0be]

Yup, I'll chalk that one up to just a misconception. Good catch-
Which was why it was minor. It's a mistake Michael could have made, not the writer. :D

[Kc]

Well the writer made the mistake-

[j0be]

Actually, it's a detail that any of my friends would have said as well. I actually think it might be more common for people to make this mistake than get it right.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Minor one:
Chapter 1-3: 13:40
Michael says 14 flights of stairs for Angel to climb to the top floor. It would be 13 flights of stairs to get to the top floor. 14 to get to the roof.

Bill had the penthouse on the 15th floor (14 actual floors because no 13th). The access to the roof was/is from that floor.

[j0be]

Bill had the penthouse on the 15th floor (14 actual floors because no 13th). The access to the roof was/is from that floor.

Correct about bill being 14 floors up, but there are only stairs between floors. As in going from the first to the second floor, you will have to go up one staircase. If you want to go to the 15th floor, you subtract one for the thirteenth floor, and then subtract one more for the same reason you would between floor one and two. (because there is no floor zero)

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

ROFL! Good one! BUT, um.. um.. oh hell NM.

You just did math and my allergic reaction kicked in.

[GD_Elite]

Possibly deliberate, but in 1-2 around the 3 minute mark Michael tells Angel his parents live in Northern California, but in 14-3 around the 3 minute mark he tells Kelly that they died. I thought this might be about his issues with mourning those he lost, or not wanting to tell Angel at first, but thought I would check here.

[Wicked Sid]

Possibly deliberate, but in 1-2 around the 3 minute mark Michael tells Angel his parents live in Northern California, but in 14-3 around the 3 minute mark he tells Kelly that they died. I thought this might be about his issues with mourning those he lost, or not wanting to tell Angel at first, but thought I would check here.

I would say this is quite deliberate, if you listen to his voice he sounds really reserved and tries to change the conversation with shutting Saul down so quickly. Michael is not the kind of person that can express their pain well, no matter how much time has passed.

[Bravo Team Leader]

In the beginning The heroes grab two rifles per person and a saw from the vault. They load up two mags each. Now how long do you think 60 rounds are going to last?
Not long at all. So where did the ammo come from? Hollywood mags I wish I could get some...

[nikvoodoo]

In the beginning The heroes grab two rifles per person and a saw from the vault. They load up two mags each. Now how long do you think 60 rounds are going to last?
Not long at all. So where did the ammo come from? Hollywood mags I wish I could get some...

They didn't fire too many shots before they ended up at Burt's shop and his walk in armory full of goodies. And they did basically run out of ammo at the Tower when Pegs screwed up and dropped the flower pot in Chapter 3.

[Cabbage Patch]

In 7-3 Michael makes up a batch of homemade Chloroform, which they use to sedate the zombies they tag. Chloroform was one of the original battlefield anaesthetics and was used to sedate patients being treated for gunshot wounds. It was introduced in the 1830s, used extensively in the US Civil War, and continued in use well into the 20th Century.

So in 14-2, when Michael operates on Saul's gunshot wound, and all they have for an anaesthetic is some whiskey, is this because 1) they were out of chloroform, 2) Michael didn't realize it could be used as a surgical anaesthetic, or 3) was that an oversight?

[nikvoodoo]

In 7-3 Michael makes up a batch of homemade Chloroform, which they use to sedate the zombies they tag. Chloroform was one of the original battlefield anaesthetics and was used to sedate patients being treated for gunshot wounds. It was introduced in the 1830s, used extensively in the US Civil War, and continued in use well into the 20th Century.

So in 14-2, when Michael operates on Saul's gunshot wound, and all they have for an anaesthetic is some whiskey, is this because 1) they were out of chloroform, 2) Michael didn't realize it could be used as a surgical anaesthetic, or 3) was that an oversight?

ooooo.....interesting......

I would imagine it's because the ingredients needed to mix the chloroform were destroyed in the War or the fire associated with said war, but that is an excellent catch and good question. :)

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

In 7-3 Michael makes up a batch of homemade Chloroform, which they use to sedate the zombies they tag. Chloroform was one of the original battlefield anaesthetics and was used to sedate patients being treated for gunshot wounds. It was introduced in the 1830s, used extensively in the US Civil War, and continued in use well into the 20th Century.

So in 14-2, when Michael operates on Saul's gunshot wound, and all they have for an anaesthetic is some whiskey, is this because 1) they were out of chloroform, 2) Michael didn't realize it could be used as a surgical anaesthetic, or 3) was that an oversight?

I would say it's because Michael isn't a chemist and what he made was to be tried on the creatures. It'd probably kill one of them is applied directly. Remember, Lizzy was out for a good min just from a wiff.. oh.. and that reminds me of something.
Off to the Saul thread...

[Grognaurd]

Crowbar is right. Chloroform is a lot more complicated than Hollywood's put a rag in the face and exit stage left. It is a classic goldielox drug. breath some, stop. The patient starts to stir, give them some more to knock them back out. But, too much and you will shutdown the heart and lungs.

[Cabbage Patch]

Chloroform sounds like truly nasty stuff, and it's probably better for Saul that they didn't try to use it during his surgury. I am curious how Michael learned about chloroform (he said he learned how to make it overseas, implying in Iraq), and why. Was this something he used in his job as an intel specialist?

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Chloroform sounds like truly nasty stuff, and it's probably better for Saul that they didn't try to use it during his surgury. I am curious how Michael learned about chloroform (he said he learned how to make it overseas, implying in Iraq), and why. Was this something he used in his job as an intel specialist?

I'm pretty sure Mike threw together a bunch of common stuff that we all know will knock you the F out. Bleach and Nail Polish will put you on your ass alone. Put them together and you're probably dead if you inhale in a closed space. He didn't have to worry about hurting anyone but the creatures so strength or care wasn't a consideration.

[Dyehardjr]

Hey Guys,
I have sent emails to you guys in the past, but I assume Greg is the one that answers from werenotdeadpodcast@gmail.com.
Anyway, just so you can get it mentioned next week, here it is again.

Hi Greg and/or Britt

My brother brought up a very interesting topic recently about the podcast, and hasasked me to send it out to y'all in case it hasn't been spotted yet.

In Chapter 2 2/3, at 8 minutes 30 seconds, Michael is explaining how Lizzy has beautiful blue eyes. But in Chapter 20 3/3, at 7 minutes 5 seconds, Tar (I laughed by @$$ off when you guys called him 'TARD') said that Lizzy has some of the prettiest green eyes.

Now, I know that eye color can change as people get older (15% of people's eyes do change), and that there are diseases that can cause some change too (such as Horner syndrome and Fuch's disease). But I am really interested on why they would change it. Is it truly a hiccup, or is there a reason behind it all? Is KC adding some clues on what is supposed to happen? Maybe Lizzy is infected, but she is immune. That's why her eyes are a different color now.

Whatever the cause, I hope we are the first to mention this.

Have agreat day,
Dyehardjr

[nikvoodoo]

Maybe Lizzy is infected, but she is immune. That's why her eyes are a different color now.

Whatever the cause, I hope we are the first to mention this.

Have agreat day,
Dyehardjr

I moved this from We're Not Dead thread. Kc knows about the eye color mistake and it is being corrected for the re-release of Season 1 this summer. Officially, Lizzy's eyes are Green.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Hey Guys,
I have sent emails to you guys in the past, but I assume Greg is the one that answers from werenotdeadpodcast@gmail.com.
Anyway, just so you can get it mentioned next week, here it is again.

Hi Greg and/or Britt

My brother brought up a very interesting topic recently about the podcast, and hasasked me to send it out to y'all in case it hasn't been spotted yet.

In Chapter 2 2/3, at 8 minutes 30 seconds, Michael is explaining how Lizzy has beautiful blue eyes. But in Chapter 20 3/3, at 7 minutes 5 seconds, Tar (I laughed by @$$ off when you guys called him 'TARD') said that Lizzy has some of the prettiest green eyes.

Now, I know that eye color can change as people get older (15% of people's eyes do change), and that there are diseases that can cause some change too (such as Horner syndrome and Fuch's disease). But I am really interested on why they would change it. Is it truly a hiccup, or is there a reason behind it all? Is KC adding some clues on what is supposed to happen? Maybe Lizzy is infected, but she is immune. That's why her eyes are a different color now.

Whatever the cause, I hope we are the first to mention this.

Have agreat day,
Dyehardjr

Not to be a super butt here but KC answered this on page one of the thread.

[j0be]

Was just listening on the road and heard Latch refer to a 16 wheeler in "Remains of Eastern Bay" part 2. Most, if not all, rigs are 18 wheelers.

[Grognaurd]

I heard that also and wondered if it some kind of box truck rather than rig and trailer

[j0be]

I heard that also and wondered if it some kind of box truck rather than rig and trailer

Except that Burt says something about the bullet bouncing around the empty hull.

Also I have never seen a box truck with 16 wheels

[Grognaurd]

Something else, minor.

Silenced vs non-silenced pistol sounds

When Kelley, Pegs and Michael leave the tower they have a silenced Pistol and the M16 and stungun.
When they get to the Beach house, Michael takes the lead in the room clearing and takes the silenced pistol. They hear something behind a close door and michael shoots through the door. But, the sound affect is clearly a Crack! Not the silenced Pistol sound we hear pegs shoot as they are running to the safe house. That silencer sound is replicated when Michael kills Fernando moments later.

[Grognaurd]

Except that Burt says something about the bullet bouncing around the empty hull.

Also I have never seen a box truck with 16 wheels

Googled for some images of 16 wheel trucks. Not as common as 18wheels. In addition, they seem to be counting what I think are more like spare tires that do not touch the pavement.

http://www.inetgiant.com/addetails/2006-mack-cv-713-super-16-wheeler-demo-bed-dump-truck-for-sale-by-owner/2312337
http://www.petpeoplesplace.com/petstore/VINTAGE-GREEN-WYANDOTTE-SEMI-TRAILER-16-WHEELER-TRUCK_250812932752.html
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/merged-rfd-truck-648541/8/

[j0be]

Something else, minor.

Silenced vs non-silenced pistol sounds

When Kelley, Pegs and Michael leave the tower they have a silenced Pistol and the M16 and stungun.
When they get to the Beach house, Michael takes the lead in the room clearing and takes the silenced pistol. They hear something behind a close door and michael shoots through the door. But, the sound affect is clearly a Crack! Not the silenced Pistol sound we hear pegs shoot as they are running to the safe house. That silencer sound is replicated when Michael kills Fernando moments later.

It could be the sound of the door cracking.


Googled for some images of 16 wheel trucks. Not as common as 18wheels. In addition, they seem to be counting what I think are more like spare tires that do not touch the pavement.

http://www.inetgiant.com/addetails/2006-mack-cv-713-super-16-wheeler-demo-bed-dump-truck-for-sale-by-owner/2312337
http://www.petpeoplesplace.com/petstore/VINTAGE-GREEN-WYANDOTTE-SEMI-TRAILER-16-WHEELER-TRUCK_250812932752.html
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/merged-rfd-truck-648541/8/

The first one is a great picture of a 16 wheeler.
The second one is funny because it's a model, and I have a hard time remember a truck with the spare tires on the cab and not the trailer.
The last one they mistook an 18 wheeler for a 16 wheeler.

But thanks for helping me visualize it. Basically, the 16 wheeler would have to be a fixed trailer verses a separated tank trailer.

[Kc]

It could be the sound of the door cracking.



The first one is a great picture of a 16 wheeler.
The second one is funny because it's a model, and I have a hard time remember a truck with the spare tires on the cab and not the trailer.
The last one they mistook an 18 wheeler for a 16 wheeler.

But thanks for helping me visualize it. Basically, the 16 wheeler would have to be a fixed trailer verses a separated tank trailer.

Yeah, that was the door cracking.

And the 16 Wheeler... not sure if that was a mistake or intentional, but I can pass the blame onto whomever said it not knowing the exact number of tires ;) Good catch though!

[Grognaurd]

Doh! Nothing like overlooking the obvious.
/hangs head

[GD_Elite]

In 21-2 ~6:30 Tardust says there were 4 tankers behind them, Scratch counts that they have 6 left. Tardust says they needed 8 and that he brought one extra. Is tardust just bad at math or is this a mistake?

[zombeh-kitteh]

In Chapter 16 part 2, @ roughly 7:05-7:11, Pegs radios back to the tower to speak with Lizzy ("I need to speak to Toucan.") after she has the Latch nightmare again when she, Michael, and Kelly are at the beach house. But Angel's call sign is Toucan, not Lizzy's. Of course, in the next part of the chapter, 16 part 3, Angel and Kalani are going to give back Latch's body to the Mallers. Unless I'm not thinking this through properly, that would mean that she A) didn't speak to Lizzy at all and just to Angel to ask him for the favor...or B) She spoke to Angel and then to Lizzy.

I just thought that was a little...inconsistent.

[Nullifier]

In 21-2 ~6:30 Tardust says there were 4 tankers behind them, Scratch counts that they have 6 left. Tardust says they needed 8 and that he brought one extra. Is tardust just bad at math or is this a mistake?
3 were lost during the ambush

[Wicked Sid]

In Chapter 16 part 2, @ roughly 7:05-7:11, Pegs radios back to the tower to speak with Lizzy ("I need to speak to Toucan.") after she has the Latch nightmare again when she, Michael, and Kelly are at the beach house. But Angel's call sign is Toucan, not Lizzy's. Of course, in the next part of the chapter, 16 part 3, Angel and Kalani are going to give back Latch's body to the Mallers. Unless I'm not thinking this through properly, that would mean that she A) didn't speak to Lizzy at all and just to Angel to ask him for the favor...or B) She spoke to Angel and then to Lizzy.

I just thought that was a little...inconsistent.

Angel's callsign is Toucan. Ergo, she wanted to speak to Toucan. The evidence is shown later when Angel needed to drop the body off at the pumping station as a favor for Pegs.

There is no evidence that she wanted to speak to Lizzy other than what is implied from when they talked earlier.

[GD_Elite]

3 were lost during the ambush

Scratch says "there were at least 3 more tankers behind you"
Tardust says "4 actually"

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Also,
In 1-1 Michael says that the outbreak started on May 8 2009. This was a friday.
In 2-1 When Michael wakes up from his extra long sleep, Saul tells Michael that its friday.
As far as I'm aware he woke up 2 days after the outbreak started. This should be may 10th, a sunday.

100
Also,
In 21-3 Michael tells Pippin that his room is next to the guard room. Yet it is implied that he needs to be watched in the guard room, and that is where he dies. Why would he need to go into the room next door to the guard room?

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Also,
Kelly says she was babysitting Tommy and his sister at her house, but later when at the colony, she says she is from Northern California. She could have moved I suppose.

[Kc]

In 1-1 Michael says that the outbreak started on May 8 2009. This was a friday.
In 2-1 When Michael wakes up from his extra long sleep, Saul tells Michael that its friday.
As far as I'm aware he woke up 2 days after the outbreak started. This should be may 10th, a sunday-
------------------
Could I say it was a different Calendar... Yes... Is it? Maybe. It is a mistake? Sort of. ;)



Also,
In 21-3 Michael tells Pippin that his room is next to the guard room. Yet it is implied that he needs to be watched in the guard room, and that is where he dies. Why would he need to go into the room next door to the guard room?

Things changed in the plan. He was going to be left alone, but then Michael thought otherwise.


Kelly says she was babysitting Tommy and his sister at her house, but later when at the colony, she says she is from Northern California. She could have moved I suppose.
Yup, she moved.

[GD_Elite]

Yay, at least I got one... But you missed my other one. :)


In 21-2 ~6:30 Tardust says there were 4 tankers behind them, Scratch counts that they have 6 left. Tardust says they needed 8 and that he brought one extra. Is tardust just bad at math or is this a mistake?

I think this might have something to do with Chapter 24, but it still seems wrong, since all 6 tankers were blown up, and 4 were lost.

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When Angel meets skittles a second time, Angel said that he hadn't seen the one with the markings, but Burt, Michael and Saul did. When he came to the tower in chapter 11, Angel was there. Is this an inconsistency or was Angel lying?

[nikvoodoo]

So now that we know what happened to at least one of the tankers....what does that do to our Tanker Math loophole? Make it better or make it worse?

[GD_Elite]

If they had used 6 and lost 4, that means they brought 10 with them originally. They needed 8, and bought 1 extra. It is strange that Tar wouldn't mention that he brought 2 extra really. It is unclear, but I think it probably is no longer a loophole. What I can't work out is if they used 5 or 6 on the Arena, so its not too clear what exactly happened.

If they had planned well in advance to bring a 10th tanker for the tower, then it is possible that Durai had approved it, but that is for the discussion.

[nikvoodoo]

MIght also be that they circled back to the ambush site and grabbed one of the ones attacked. not likely though.

[TheNomad]

We know that in Ch. 24 The Mallers attack the The Tower with rpgs. But the diesel truck The Tower had exploded, but the point is how high would that flame get? This is because the whole area was covered in smoke and if the tower had been on fire the rope connecting the tower with the building next door would have been burned sooner than it had. So possibly someone on the other side of that rope.. *COUGH COUGH don't wanna say it*... might have burnt the rope thus deciding Burt's fate as far as we know. But also it sounds like someone cut the line when listening to the chapter.

[MancheeLivesOn]

So possibly someone on the other side of that rope.. *COUGH COUGH don't wanna say it*... might have burnt the rope thus deciding Burt's fate as far as we know.

No go, Michael says the rope was burnt off at about 10 yards out. How does somebody burn a rope 30 feet away without a flamethrower?

[nikvoodoo]

If this was a haphazard set up of a zip line (with the only one qualified to actually set it up going rogue PS: Saul is still a bastard because now he might have caused Burt and Angel's deaths), it's quite possible that the rope just snapped on its own and dangled the 30 feet (10 yards) down into the top of the flames (or not which I'll cover in a second).

We know the adjacent tower is smaller than the Tower, so lets say it's 9 stories tall (under the assumption someone put forward that it would take 6 stories to zip line down to the roof and 6 more to zip to the 3rd floor of the Tower (per chapter 7), that means the rope was dangling 60 feet from the ground. If you assume the tanker was 12 feet tall, that means the distance is closer to 50 feet from the fire. And we know there is thick black smoke rising from that fire. And while smoke doesn't necessarily have to be as hot as the fire itself, it can still carry the heat. Fire doesn't have to touch an object to singe it. Extreme heat can accomplish the same task.

[ClearSights]

Or maybe that the fire in the tower was coming out of a window a floor or two below where they were jumping from

[mythicgr66]

Yay, at least I got one... But you missed my other one. :)



I think this might have something to do with Chapter 24, but it still seems wrong, since all 6 tankers were blown up, and 4 were lost.

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When Angel meets skittles a second time, Angel said that he hadn't seen the one with the markings, but Burt, Michael and Saul did. When he came to the tower in chapter 11, Angel was there. Is this an inconsistency or was Angel lying?

17-3 skittel said "brain not the wost (Angel taked about skilles fright of this one) the coloured one the one with the markings markings, you only see him once then your dead "angel yeah you told me about him before..... i havent seen him but Burt, Michael and Saul did"

maybe he couldn't see him they were in a tigh hallway and he was at the back of the group, going around the corner to burt place

this might be wrong, but this is what i feel

[7oddisdead]

the thing ive wondered is...with the excess heat adding stress to the rope... how much could we blame the rope breaking to the fact that someone had to take riley over with them?

[nikvoodoo]

HorrorHiro and others were arguing about the origins of the outbreak and where it started.

The news report in 2-3 tells of riots happening in LA, Chicago, New York and other American cities all at the same time. The implication being that the same outbreak happened there at the same time there. But then in 29-2 we are told it took a day and a half to reach the Eastern Seaboard. Don't know if I can speak for every major city in America, but I feel like it would take more than an LA riot to convince NYC to go at it.

And I made this a sticky thread now. I feel like this is something we should have at the ready.

[Jannit]

I've attempted to search through the threads but couldn't find one on this. If I missed it, I'm sorry.

In Chapter 2, 2/3 at 8:33 Michael mentions Lizzy's eyes as being "Gorgeous blue eyes" yet in Chapter 30 2/3 at about 18:50 Saul describes her as "Tall, blonde, green eyes..." There is another mention by Saul of Lizzy's green eyes but I didn't dig through the chapters to find it.

It's a minor nit-picky detail and probably just an oversite but given the amount of detail that goes into the story, I was just wondering if there was some sort of explanation for the change in her eye color. Is this just a mistake? Am I looking too much into things?

Cheers!

[Robzombie]

Didn't you know...this was covered in Chapter 28 Part 4. She's actually Inks mistress, a mutated special that has been keeping her powers hidden, geez where ya been. Only by her eye colour can anything strange be seen, so far that is...oh, and the baby is Inks too. SHE IS THE VESSEL FOR WHICH A NEW BREED OF ZOMBIE WILL BE BORN TO UTTERLY DESTROY ALL OF MANKIND AND GIVE RISE TO INKS DOMINATION OF THE WORLD!!! MWA-HA-HA-HAAAAA!!!!!.....................okay fine, maybe not.

[Jannit]

Of course! How silly of me. I totally missed the secret code to access part four the first time around! Now I feel dumb. The explanation of how she's actually an original zombie. You know how they have been living and walking among us for years planning the Z-Day apocalypse. Plus, given Saul's resistance, she HAD to have him knock her up so she could have the ultimate zombie baby that would mutate the gene resistant to the zombie-ness and over run everything. IT'S SO OBVIOUS NOW!

On a more interesting note hello neighbor.

[nikvoodoo]

This has been covered but not in a thread you might think to look in.

This is a Loophole/Inconsistency in the show. It is corrected in the mastered edition of the show on CD set I believe. The reason Lizzy is described with Blue eyes on the podcast but green eyes later is simple: The actress who originally played Lizzy had blue eyes and so that detail was incorporated into the show. Since Blaire took over, Kc amended her look to match Blaire's more closely and Blaire happens to have green eyes.

I'm going to merge this thread into the Loophole thread shortly and I'm also moving it to Episode Discussions.....doesn't so much belong in story theories section really...

[Jannit]

Ah, thanks very much Nikvoodoo! You're absolutely right, I didn't see this thread before and apologize for that. I appreciate you putting the question where it belongs. <3

[nikvoodoo]

Ah, thanks very much Nikvoodoo! You're absolutely right, I didn't see this thread before and apologize for that. I appreciate you putting the question where it belongs. <3

I always lose track of this one. Moving it to where it is now will make it a lot easier to find for these types of purposes.

I kinda miss the scouring the show looking for little things that might not make sense. Like the report "fiasco" from 33-3.

[Lilydragon]

ROFL! Good one! BUT, um.. um.. oh hell NM.

You just did math and my allergic reaction kicked in.

Yeah, NM can be hell... :D

[Tielurrdee]

I believe I found something small but inconsistent . It's way way back. I wont quote word for word the part i will just describe what happens. In chapter 2 part 1 @ 10:00 datu says that Riley put lizzy in Riley and pegs room and this happens right after lizzy enters the tower and Todd dies. Then in chapter 2 part 3 lizzy is asked to grab the cat box for mr whiskers and take it to pegs and Riley's room. Lizzy asks where Riley and pegs room is. Riley says it is down the hall and they have an extra bed. Now I'm not sure if lizzy was just lost or confused but it always seemed a bit odd as if she'd never been to that room. Let me know if this is something or if I read it wrong. Side note I noticed that the character that played Todd sounded quite a bit like "the honker" who way ripped from his car on the freeway behind michael am I right KC? I heard that and wondered I know the characters aren't linked I just wanted to know if I had good ears.

[Kc]

Side note I noticed that the character that played Todd sounded quite a bit like "the honker" who way ripped from his car on the freeway behind michael am I right KC? I heard that and wondered I know the characters aren't linked I just wanted to know if I had good ears.
Yup. He comes up a lot. It's me. Any small bit -part that I don't have anyone to fill in on, I usually fill in.

[Tielurrdee]

Yup. He comes up a lot. It's me. Any small bit -part that I don't have anyone to fill in on, I usually fill in.
ok thanks darn I had no idea those 2 were you. If you ever need a voice of someone you plan to instantly kill off message me haha or you know a new story character ;D . #ijustwantyoutokillme

[Hoff4D]

I haven't gone through this thread at all, so it could already be listed, and could already be debunked, but in the first chapter Michael talks about where his parents live (blatantly in the present tense), yet later on doesn't he reveal that both his parents are dead? When saul/angel ask further about them he blows them off...so maybe he was just making a quick comment of where his parents USED to live, or are buried, and due to the death and his standoffishness (is that a word?) just dropped it immediately...

So I don't think this is a total loophole, but couldn't think a better place to bring this up. Foreshadowing for how closed off Michael is? Or an oversight?

[reaper239]

I haven't gone through this thread at all, so it could already be listed, and could already be debunked, but in the first chapter Michael talks about where his parents live (blatantly in the present tense), yet later on doesn't he reveal that both his parents are dead? When saul/angel ask further about them he blows them off...so maybe he was just making a quick comment of where his parents USED to live, or are buried, and due to the death and his standoffishness (is that a word?) just dropped it immediately...

So I don't think this is a total loophole, but couldn't think a better place to bring this up. Foreshadowing for how closed off Michael is? Or an oversight?

i took that as an assumption of death. the likelyhood of them surviving being very low after all.

[Kc]

I haven't gone through this thread at all, so it could already be listed, and could already be debunked, but in the first chapter Michael talks about where his parents live (blatantly in the present tense), yet later on doesn't he reveal that both his parents are dead? When saul/angel ask further about them he blows them off...so maybe he was just making a quick comment of where his parents USED to live, or are buried, and due to the death and his standoffishness (is that a word?) just dropped it immediately...

So I don't think this is a total loophole, but couldn't think a better place to bring this up. Foreshadowing for how closed off Michael is? Or an oversight?

It was intentional. He didn't want to talk about it, so he didn't tell the absolute truth.

[Tielurrdee]

It was intentional. He didn't want to talk about it, so he didn't tell the absolute truth.
That was always my take on why he said his parents live out side of slo. Because the way he first reacted to talking to Riley about personal things and by what he said about Saul and angel when they left the tower for the first time that he "Michael" said if he saw them in public he would turn the other way and not want to see them in the real world. He's a character who won't open up easily and does not want anyone to pitty him in any way.

[REZombie]

I know its old and doesn't matter now, but I noticed it anyway on my in depth second listen.. in chapter 3 part 3 at 2:12 Burt shoots the zombie that's attacking Saul. he is using a revolver, yet when he fires you hear an empty casing hit the ground. :-)

[Wicked Sid]

I know its old and doesn't matter now, but I noticed it anyway on my in depth second listen.. in chapter 3 part 3 at 2:12 Burt shoots the zombie that's attacking Saul. he is using a revolver, yet when he fires you hear an empty casing hit the ground. :-)

You hear him check the chamber at 2:38, so I'm not sure if he was still clutching the revolver. It may be an insinuated weapon change, most likely to another pistol. If not, congratulations on the inconsistency find.

[REZombie]

What you hear there is the revolvers cylinder open, so sounds like revolver still.

[REZombie]

well, I switched my headphones over to my sennheiser monitoring headphones and it does sound a little more like checking the chamber on a semiautomatic then a revolvers cylinder...guess he did change guns at some point or at least it can be easily explained that way.

[Tielurrdee]

Ok so I was just checking the threads and I remembered a inconsistency. If someone wants to look into it they can I'm lazy and I noticed it a few weeks back. When angle and kolani are in the water tower with skittles. Angel claims he never saw the one with the markings on his face. Tho if I remember correctly and I believe I do, angel was in the hallway after they got back from the arena. Burt actually spoke to angel about if he should take his aim away from "Paul" and angel said he was with Michael and Burt needed to calm down. So in theory angel would have had to see the man in the pinstripe suit.

[Witch_Doctor]

Ok so I was just checking the threads and I remembered a inconsistency. If someone wants to look into it they can I'm lazy and I noticed it a few weeks back. When angle and kolani are in the water tower with skittles. Angel claims he never saw the one with the markings on his face. Tho if I remember correctly and I believe I do, angel was in the hallway after they got back from the arena. Burt actually spoke to angel about if he should take his aim away from "Paul" and angel said he was with Michael and Burt needed to calm down. So in theory angel would have had to see the man in the pinstripe suit.

Yeah, That bugs me every time I listen to it. In fact, Angel walks in and says something like, 'Wow, looks like you got him.' Then Burt says, 'It wasn't us, HE did it.'

[OldtypeM87]

I'm not sure if this was noticed beforehand and if it has relevance but I noticed it on episode 14 part 1. Burt recalls the events and date as being July 5, 2010. Flashing back to part 1 of episode 1 when Michael recalls the date as being May 8, 2009. I know it's meant to be July 5, 2009 and doesn't matter, but I thought I would post it (wanted to make claim to something and brag about it) :)

[Kc]

I'm not sure if this was noticed beforehand and if it has relevance but I noticed it on episode 14 part 1. Burt recalls the events and date as being July 5, 2010. Flashing back to part 1 of episode 1 when Michael recalls the date as being May 8, 2009. I know it's meant to be July 5, 2009 and doesn't matter, but I thought I would post it (wanted to make claim to something and brag about it) :)

You must have an early version... we went back and fixed that and re-uploaded it.

And yes it looks like that line with Angel is an inconsistency...

The line:
ANGEL
We’ve seen one with tatoos- Well, I haven’t but Burt, Michael and Saul did. Is that the same?

I can cut the "Well, I haven’t but Burt, Michael and Saul did."

[Storm]

The only thing I've noticed is back in C1E1 when Michael slams the door to the class room...
You'd expect the teacher's voice to be cut when the door closes, instead it starts fading out a few hundred milliseconds later. :)
Not anything important, but still something that kinda irritated me when I heard it... Which was on my first listen...
But besides from that, I haven't found anything I found odd when it comes to sound editing. It's a great work so far - and I guess it'll contin

[Grognaurd]

Really minor and maybe it can just be a Michael Mistake. In chapter 36, describing check point 3, he says Bradley Tank. I never served and I thank all who have, but in the documentaries I see they call it an armored fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier. "Tank" might be a different and specific classification. Not trying to nitpick, just raising a point so others who know way more than me can call the ball.

[Tielurrdee]

Ok here I go again with story inconsistencies. I hate to love doing these but I'm so OCD I seem to find them. Maybe I or someone else has discussed this. I noticed this a long time ago when these episodes came out and never looked to hard into it. Chapter 30 part 2 of 3 after minute 7 glen says they killed #9 after #9 attacked roman. Then in chapter 30 part 3 of 3 after minute 6:30 Pete and victor say #6 then glen also says number #6 in the same episode after minute 10 of this episode. So was it 6 or 9. And do we have these catalogued on the time long. I'd like to suggest a ongoing thread to keep track of which numbered ones are found threw the seasons so far and time points along the title maybe of "inks dirty dozen" or something of the sort. If there is not one already.

[Kc]

Ok here I go again with story inconsistencies. I hate to love doing these but I'm so OCD I seem to find them. Maybe I or someone else has discussed this. I noticed this a long time ago when these episodes came out and never looked to hard into it. Chapter 30 part 2 of 3 after minute 7 glen says they killed #9 after #9 attacked roman. Then in chapter 30 part 3 of 3 after minute 6:30 Pete and victor say #6 then glen also says number #6 in the same episode after minute 10 of this episode. So was it 6 or 9. And do we have these catalogued on the time long. I'd like to suggest a ongoing thread to keep track of which numbered ones are found threw the seasons so far and time points along the title maybe of "inks dirty dozen" or something of the sort. If there is not one already.

Yeah, that's actually intentional. The #'s are tracked here: http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Little+Ones

[Unit]

I posted this on another thread before I found this one, but I'll throw it up here as well. I believe it is chapter 6 when Angel and Saul are spending the night on the roof of locked n loaded with Burt after they found him locked in the bathroom. Angel makes a comment that Burt has a nice revolver and Saul comments it would stop most anything. Later when the smart zombie with the level 3 Raydon Lab ID get on the roof and Burt shoots it off you hear a shell casing hit the ground right after. Sounds cool but if Burt was shooting a revolver it wouldn't have dumped the casing.

[Wicked Sid]

I posted this on another thread before I found this one, but I'll throw it up here as well. I believe it is chapter 6 when Angel and Saul are spending the night on the roof of locked n loaded with Burt after they found him locked in the bathroom. Angel makes a comment that Burt has a nice revolver and Saul comments it would stop most anything. Later when the smart zombie with the level 3 Raydon Lab ID get on the roof and Burt shoots it off you hear a shell casing hit the ground right after. Sounds cool but if Burt was shooting a revolver it wouldn't have dumped the casing.

Discussed here (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?p=57417#post57417)

[Unit]

Discussed here (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?p=57417#post57417)

Sorry I hadn't gone back to read the previous pages yet :-)

[Unit]

Still a mistake though. At 1:35 ch3 p3 Saul mentions Burt is still unconscious and Angel mentions the revolver still in his hand. If he was out at the time, no way to change weapons. 30 seconds later the biter is on Saul's leg and Burt shoots it off with the gun already in his hand, why would he pick up another gun and have to rack it if he already has one in is hand that is ready to fire? You could hear Angel fumble with his rifle and then say I can't get a shot but that's all I heard.

[Wicked Sid]

Still a mistake though. At 1:35 ch3 p3 Saul mentions Burt is still unconscious and Angel mentions the revolver still in his hand. If he was out at the time, no way to change weapons. 30 seconds later the biter is on Saul's leg and Burt shoots it off with the gun already in his hand, why would he pick up another gun and have to rack it if he already has one in is hand that is ready to fire? You could hear Angel fumble with his rifle and then say I can't get a shot but that's all I heard.

From the speed that he 'awakes', lines up and then takes the shot one can assume that he wasn't really out to begin with or he had awoken within a decently reasonable timeframe, ex. 3-5 minutes. A revolver would not have dropped a shell casing ergo there must've been a weapon change.

[Unit]

Or he's a bad @ss marine and woke from all the screaming ready for action like he had done it a million times before in nam; and audio threw in a sound effect that didn't belong by mistake ;-)

[Rev11]

When Michael is trying to convince Pegs to stay in Irwin, he said she was brave enough to go South with him and that she "was the first to volunteer". I thought Kelly was the first to volunteer, and Pegs jumped in after (out of jealousy maybe?).

[shadrak]

A lot of the details need to be reviewed by a military advisor:

Would like to know more about Angel's background. Was he a graduate of Federal OCS or a reserve component OCS? Public Affairs? Referenced in wiki as "commanding officer"...public affairs would be a staff officer.

Why the hodgepodge of MOS's from the reserve unit? Could be explained if they were from different units, but an 11B would not be MOSQed in an MI unit and SGT Cross (misspelled in the wiki as "sargent" instead of "sergeant") would not be in a line company in an infantry unit...and there are no infantry units in the Reserves...the only position for an 11B in the Army reserves would be as a Drill Instructor. Saul's MOS could be explained as not having been afforded the opportunity to attend a MOS school.

Ammunition at the armory...generally violates regulations but the small amount of ammunition COULD be allowed temporarily after a range--but what is the origin of the ammunition for the .50 cal.? That is unlikely to have been available at the armory.

[Unit]

A lot of the details need to be reviewed by a military advisor:

Would like to know more about Angel's background. Was he a graduate of Federal OCS or a reserve component OCS? Public Affairs? Referenced in wiki as "commanding officer"...public affairs would be a staff officer.

Why the hodgepodge of MOS's from the reserve unit? Could be explained if they were from different units, but an 11B would not be MOSQed in an MI unit and SGT Cross (misspelled in the wiki as "sargent" instead of "sergeant") would not be in a line company in an infantry unit...and there are no infantry units in the Reserves...the only position for an 11B in the Army reserves would be as a Drill Instructor. Saul's MOS could be explained as not having been afforded the opportunity to attend a MOS school.

Ammunition at the armory...generally violates regulations but the small amount of ammunition COULD be allowed temporarily after a range--but what is the origin of the ammunition for the .50 cal.? That is unlikely to have been available at the armory.

Maybe I am mistaken, but weren't Michael and Saul's MOS based on their active duty prior to going reserve? Both were in Iraq, Michael as MI and Saul in Mountain Division, then they returned and went reserve is what I thought. In that case it wouldn't matter, they could have different MOS in the reserves now right?

[Kc]

A lot of the details need to be reviewed by a military advisor:

Would like to know more about Angel's background. Was he a graduate of Federal OCS or a reserve component OCS? Public Affairs? Referenced in wiki as "commanding officer"...public affairs would be a staff officer.

Why the hodgepodge of MOS's from the reserve unit? Could be explained if they were from different units, but an 11B would not be MOSQed in an MI unit and SGT Cross (misspelled in the wiki as "sargent" instead of "sergeant") would not be in a line company in an infantry unit...and there are no infantry units in the Reserves...the only position for an 11B in the Army reserves would be as a Drill Instructor. Saul's MOS could be explained as not having been afforded the opportunity to attend a MOS school.

Ammunition at the armory...generally violates regulations but the small amount of ammunition COULD be allowed temporarily after a range--but what is the origin of the ammunition for the .50 cal.? That is unlikely to have been available at the armory.


Maybe I am mistaken, but weren't Michael and Saul's MOS based on their active duty prior to going reserve? Both were in Iraq, Michael as MI and Saul in Mountain Division, then they returned and went reserve is what I thought. In that case it wouldn't matter, they could have different MOS in the reserves now right?

Yeah, Angel's not a commanding officer. Not sure where that came from on the Wiki.

The hodgepodge of MOS's come from a lot of active duty soldiers, and some reserve, cross-training and re-classing for one reason or another. Saul didn't have a chance to re-class yet or go to another MOS school. Typically there's a waiting period depending on spots available, etc... Reserve units sometimes struggle to maintain being staffed, and you can get people from all over the place or MOS to fill in slots.

And Yes, there is not supposed to be ammo in the armory. That's intentionally fudged, but at the same time holds some truth, because it happened once that I knew about IRL. The 50 cal ammo came from Burt's "special room". They wouldn't have had that in the military armory. Only smaller-caliber ammo related to weapons qualification.

[nikvoodoo]

The wiki is free for all to edit as well. If you catch mistakes someone else had made (like an admin who shall remain nameless who screwed up an autopsy subject) feel free to edit. If you aren't sure how you can certainly ask around. Lots of active wiki'ers around. :)

[Unit]

I've been meaning to start looking at the wiki but I'm afraid it may turn into an obsession haha

[LiamKerrington]

Weird ... When Michael wanted to talk with Puck about how he broke his arm, it was like wishing to talk about something funny or "light-hearted" ... But when he told Datu about his last personal encounter with Randy, it occurred to me that there is much more to it. So I ask: Would Michael have told someone about how he broke his arm, although this event is directly connected to a hell of a serious situation?

[Gooer]

Weird ... When Michael wanted to talk with Puck about how he broke his arm, it was like wishing to talk about something funny or "light-hearted" ... But when he told Datu about his last personal encounter with Randy, it occurred to me that there is much more to it. So I ask: Would Michael have told someone about how he broke his arm, although this event is directly connected to a hell of a serious situation?

Good point, it sounded like it was going to be some sort of funny story, not the deep, sad story that we were told...

[Kc]

Good point, it sounded like it was going to be some sort of funny story, not the deep, sad story that we were told...

You can imagine it would have been made lighter. " I got stuck trying to escape somewhere, when someone who was helping me let go ... Etc" He wouldn't have admitted his struggle.

[LiamKerrington]

Ok, I see it. I was just wondering, since there is kind of a close connection between both events. And I wonder if Michael is really so hardcore to blind out such a serious event happening within minutes of the arm breaking ... Well, maybe he is, considering is low skills in empathy ... :D
Robot Michael ...

[shadrak]

There are exceptions to policy that allow small amounts of ammo (a few thousand rounds) to be stored at an armory in preparation for range operations. I have know of instances where that...

[Storm]

Did Tanya call the dead girl from 39.1 Cindy in 41.3? As far as I remember, her name was Wendy or something like that. Cindy was Angel's girlfriend.

[Kc]

That would have rivaled Burt's rank... and I wouldn't have wanted to do that. I also feel that E-5's have a much different mentality and age, and better fit for what I wanted. He's an e-6 in Irwin...

[Litmaster]

OK, now for something new entirely. I'm finally going to fix the extra "PUCK" in Chapter 24.

For those of you who don't know, I made a pretty big mistake from season 2 to 3. I originally had a guy named "Puck" as a maller. He liked Hockey, that's where his nickname came from.

Anyway, at that point season 3 was still in outlining and planning phases and I ended up changing a character named "Pike" to "Puck". SO, what happened? I ended up with two Pucks... oops. Big oops. It's been driving me nuts. So, in the next few months it's going to get fixed and changed. I'll keep you updated on when, it'll take some time, but the name will now be "Biscuit". The funny thing about that... Biscuit is a nickname for Puck. It'll clear up the confusion and yet still remain the same.


I don't mind the 2 Pucks. How many Michaels would there be in LA at the time? I wouldn't call it a 'big' oops at all.

Also, I feel shadrak is pretty harsh with his criticism... I feel like telling him to start his own audio drama and see how well he fares. But anyway, it's the harsh stone that makes the knife sharp, so....

[Witch_Doctor]

General feedback: Season 1 was good story-wise but was very weak production-wise. Season two was decent in both respects with season 3 being excellent in both respects (voice acting improves a lot over the 3 seasons, use of sound effects, story editing, and the plot).

I have not begun Season 4, but if you intend to continue to work on the series post-production, I recommend doing some heavy editing to season 1 as it does not meet the season 2 or the season 3 standard.

Keep up the good work!

I have the remastered version of all three season's and they are amazing. Even though the podcast is free, the difference is more than worth the small amount of money. The cost is what you would pay to see three movies, and far less than buying those movies on Blue-ray DVD.

[Kc]

The 2 pucks will be fixed shortly! Finally... it's bugged me for SO long.

[Bullethead]

The 2 pucks will be fixed shortly! Finally... it's bugged me for SO long.


Lol Biscuit :D. Will he get his own page in the Wiki now?

How did you land on that as a replacement KC? Just curious if there was a fun story behind it.

[Eviebae]

So, at the very beginning, why does the announcer say police aren't responding if we later hear the rioters are attacking police?

[Kc]

So, at the very beginning, why does the announcer say police aren't responding if we later hear the rioters are attacking police?

Sort of like a moving wall, not using force, and then BAM.

[Eviebae]

Sort of like a moving wall, not using force, and then BAM.

OH, I thought there wasn't a police presence at all (like they'd all rushed out to respond and been turned). That gives me different mind pictures.:)

[Danidelion]

In episode 41, where Datu gets bitten, Tanya supposedly places a PICC line in his vein, right there in the torrential rain outside. She was a veterinarian, so that is surprising to begin with, but more, picc lines are placed while using an ultrasound, and requires a decent amount of precision, a scalpel, and just isn't plausible for the situation.A central line placed in the internal or external jugular veins are much more likely to be done in an emergency, or just a simple peripheral IV. As a nurse I have been involved in the placement of picc lines and central lines and ivs, and one of the others would be more appropriate for the situation.

[Grognaurd]

I am not a nurse, but isn't a traditional Picc line set up to deliver a harsh drug to a location where the vein is larger? Tanya uses this picc line to make it easier for non-trained people to take a blood sample, so it does not really need to go far up the length of the vein. The port is the mos important aspect of the system, not the distance the line runs.

[Kc]

In episode 41, where Datu gets bitten, Tanya supposedly places a PICC line in his vein, right there in the torrential rain outside. She was a veterinarian, so that is surprising to begin with, but more, picc lines are placed while using an ultrasound, and requires a decent amount of precision, a scalpel, and just isn't plausible for the situation.A central line placed in the internal or external jugular veins are much more likely to be done in an emergency, or just a simple peripheral IV. As a nurse I have been involved in the placement of picc lines and central lines and ivs, and one of the others would be more appropriate for the situation.


I am not a nurse, but isn't a traditional Picc line set up to deliver a harsh drug to a location where the vein is larger? Tanya uses this picc line to make it easier for non-trained people to take a blood sample, so it does not really need to go far up the length of the vein. The port is the mos important aspect of the system, not the distance the line runs.

I've put them in before, but not the ones that go super deep like the one's you're describing. This is the very short version that goes into the skin maybe two inches at most. I might have the term wrong... Apparently the type I am thinking about is just refereed to an IV line. That might need to be fixed in the remaster ;)

[clem131]

I posted this already in a thread about 47.1, but it's a past episode and everyone moved on (which makes me think about the finale: the community will be fractioned right at the most important moment in the series, but anyway)
So, Ink tattoes himself before the outbreak; after the outbreak he tries to find out which symbol protected him by experimenting at the jail. Except he is a zombie, i.e. he turned, i.e. by definition he was *not* protected. He has no reason to think any of the symbols protected him from being attacked and turned, because he was attacked and turned. I am stuck here.

[Grognaurd]

This is part of the mystery, Clem. Is Ink turned? We hear the characters say so, but his eyes are still clear. So, if he is turned, he is still different from the vast majority of the ones we have seen. The protection aspect is not protection from the disease, as much as it is protection from the biters, themselves.

What we know is that he has clear eyes.
One of the marks seems to be "do not go there" or stop or protection.

[clem131]

This is part of the mystery, Clem. Is Ink turned? We hear the characters say so, but his eyes are still clear. So, if he is turned, he is still different from the vast majority of the ones we have seen. The protection aspect is not protection from the disease, as much as it is protection from the biters, themselves.

What we know is that he has clear eyes.

Uh. I'm not so active on the forum so this is the first time I consider that Ink might not be turned. We heard it from Kelly and Tanya, and we've seen him do trans-human things, so I took it from granted. We had an entire episode dedicated to the witnessing of how Ink was turned, during which episode one character says verbatim "This is where Ink was turned". But then again you're right, the narrator is unreliable so my reasoning might in fact imply that he's NOT turned. At this point I would feel a bit cheated if it turns out he wasn't a zombie all along, but oh well.

Just to explain, I indeed meant protection from the biters, not the disease. If he's turned, for all he knew he was not protected from the biters, because... well, he was turned! That means for all he knows the protection mark didn't work. To me it's of obvious but took me a little to see it.

[Kc]

I posted this already in a thread about 47.1, but it's a past episode and everyone moved on (which makes me think about the finale: the community will be fractioned right at the most important moment in the series, but anyway)
So, Ink tattoes himself before the outbreak; after the outbreak he tries to find out which symbol protected him by experimenting at the jail. Except he is a zombie, i.e. he turned, i.e. by definition he was *not* protected. He has no reason to think any of the symbols protected him from being attacked and turned, because he was attacked and turned. I am stuck here.

It's something not contained in the story as we don't see his perspective, but with a little time, he discovered why others reacted to him differently. The symbols on the doors could have been just one of the experiments to see how he was different.

[fridginators]

KC I've always wanted to ask how it is that in the first few chapters our heroes are able to drive around relatively easily even as there appear to be plenty of biters and you know, a normally functioning city only hours beforehand. I always felt that the transition is too sudden and in my opinion the weakest execution of the show. Only fractions of the population of millions are ever really accounted for, and the chaos on the road is greatly minimised. It's partially addressed with the we're alive banner and all, but it does seem a bit implausible in parts. Am I being pedantic?

Also do we ever find out what happened to the second Behemoth in chapter 35-36? Burt and co. killed Arrowhead but where did the second one disappear to?

[Kc]

KC I've always wanted to ask how it is that in the first few chapters our heroes are able to drive around relatively easily even as there appear to be plenty of biters and you know, a normally functioning city only hours beforehand. I always felt that the transition is too sudden and in my opinion the weakest execution of the show. Only fractions of the population of millions are ever really accounted for, and the chaos on the road is greatly minimised. It's partially addressed with the we're alive banner and all, but it does seem a bit implausible in parts. Am I being pedantic?

Also do we ever find out what happened to the second Behemoth in chapter 35-36? Burt and co. killed Arrowhead but where did the second one disappear to?

Your first point, well, has a point. To have that much population disappear that quickly is a bit far fetched... The one gray area I sort of tend to use to my defense is it's not explicitly said how long Saul, Angel and Michael were in the Armory before they got out. It could have been like more than half a day.

Is that realistically enough time to deal with all of LA? No, but it's better than 15 minutes, which is sometimes what's perceived. BUT, Maybe in a future version I can add in a spot of narration to say how long they were in there.

Oh, Behemoth #2? That one was mowed down by the helicopter. So arrowhead bled out, and that one got shot up. They ended up taking the bodies out of there, not sure where to off the top of my head. I think I mentioned it somewhere in there when Datu was using a bit of its skin.

[Litmaster]

Oh, Behemoth #2? That one was mowed down by the helicopter. So arrowhead bled out, and that one got shot up. They ended up taking the bodies out of there, not sure where to off the top of my head. I think I mentioned it somewhere in there when Datu was using a bit of its skin.

Yep, as a target for the Mata-Gun. :nik:

[Gnex]

Your first point, well, has a point. To have that much population disappear that quickly is a bit far fetched... The one gray area I sort of tend to use to my defense is it's not explicitly said how long Saul, Angel and Michael were in the Armory before they got out. It could have been like more than half a day.

Is that realistically enough time to deal with all of LA? No, but it's better than 15 minutes, which is sometimes what's perceived. BUT, Maybe in a future version I can add in a spot of narration to say how long they were in there.

Oh, Behemoth #2? That one was mowed down by the helicopter. So arrowhead bled out, and that one got shot up. They ended up taking the bodies out of there, not sure where to off the top of my head. I think I mentioned it somewhere in there when Datu was using a bit of its skin.

Wasn't it also stated though that not everyone was turned??? Some were basically just ripped to shreds or eaten??? I always just took it as like 1 in 20 or so were turned..... Maybe even less than that when you factor in children which were probably all killed in the attacks since we haven't seen any other than little ones which were "grown" by Ink.... So maybe even say 1 in 50 people became infected, the rest just kinda got mowed down in the process.......

The last population I saw for LA(quick net search) was 3.858 million..... If 1 in 50 became a turned that is like 77,000 turned/infected.

We also hear early on from Riley and Pegs that turning only takes a matter of second..... so it could be that the whole incident was over in just a matter of hours as it would in theory get exponentially faster and faster as more and more people turned.....

either way I think it is highly possible, I think as KC mentioned the armory scene needs a voice over or dialogue to indicate the passage of time.

[Kc]

either way I think it is highly possible, I think as KC mentioned the armory scene needs a voice over or dialogue to indicate the passage of time.

Yup. And this thread is where I'll be looking back at for the last and final remaster. So, if there's any last minute additions/changes you want, feel free. I may in fact even add in that one line from Tardust that people wanted in the Riley scene.

"She was at the colony and..."

Riley - "You're lying".

That's sort of the gist of it, but I'm still debating on whether or not it's necessary. I have time to think about it. The final remaster for everything isn't for a while.

[Grognaurd]

A thought...

There is a little bit of friction in a reserve Unit getting a call up so quickly. Is there a way to leverage the one weekend a month, two weeks a year? Hang a lantern on the idea that the unit was already scheduled to be active for training. Have Angel say something like could you come in a few hours or a day early or something? (1)

We have two dates, May 8th and Saul's "it's Friday." I do not know if training is a show up Friday evening or a Saturday morning, but it is something that is knowable and the dates could slide.

(1) whatever is most appropriate to match what normally occurs in real life.

[Kc]

A thought...

There is a little bit of friction in a reserve Unit getting a call up so quickly. Is there a way to leverage the one weekend a month, two weeks a year? Hang a lantern on the idea that the unit was already scheduled to be active for training. Have Angel say something like could you come in a few hours or a day early or something? (1)

We have two dates, May 8th and Saul's "it's Friday." I do not know if training is a show up Friday evening or a Saturday morning, but it is something that is knowable and the dates could slide.

(1) whatever is most appropriate to match what normally occurs in real life.

The "Friday" thing is a very stupid early oops...

But, if a commander is being proactive, he can do what he feels is necessary. Their mission could just be humanitarian relief or even command support to bring other units in. It's purposely left unclear because the devil is in the details.

[GamerGirl]

Another sugestion for the time line of the 1st episode - give Michael a short voice over about "not knowing how long he stood there staring at the tv in the commons room" or have the news caster say something about "your watching new fotage from x long ago"nor "re-enforcements are just arriving in the scene since the riot broke out y long ago".

Since angle is the one who makes the call, this should crumple some of the family did it tinfoil hat theories..,,,,,

[Red Shirt]

Is that realistically enough time to deal with all of LA? No, but it's better than 15 minutes, which is sometimes what's perceived. BUT, Maybe in a future version I can add in a spot of narration to say how long they were in there.

That and the time interval between the first explosion and when Michael gets the call from Angel. 65.2 seconds... yeah, I timed it because I'm that kind of weirdo.

The general consensus among the fans... which I agree with is that time was compressed between leaving the class, walking down he hall, probably down a couple flights of stairs, muscling his way into the crowd of people gathered around the TV... maybe the crowd parting for him because they know he's a Reservist and Civvies looks to us at times like this, ect.


We have two dates, May 8th and Saul's "it's Friday." I do not know if training is a show up Friday evening or a Saturday morning, but it is something that is knowable and the dates could slide.

That depends on the unit and the training that is scheduled for that weekend. Reserve drills are divided into "MUTAs" which are equal to 1/2 of a day. Most drill weekends are Four MUTAs, Saturday and Sunday (Sat. morning, Sat. Afternoon, Sun. Morning and Sun. Afternoon). In my first reserve unit, most of the training weekends were Five MUTAs where we would report on Friday night.

It is perfectly plausible that the 223rd had a Range scheduled for that weekend, hence the ammo in the vault and it could have even been a MUTA Five drill.

It is unusual for Reserve units to have ammunition in their vault, but not unheard of. A quick "Hey Sarge, it's good thing we were going to the range this weekend, huh?" from Saul would seal it, I think.


There is a little bit of friction in a reserve Unit getting a call up so quickly. Is there a way to leverage the one weekend a month, two weeks a year? Hang a lantern on the idea that the unit was already scheduled to be active for training. Have Angel say something like could you come in a few hours or a day early or something?

But, if a commander is being proactive, he can do what he feels is necessary. Their mission could just be humanitarian relief or even command support to bring other units in. It's purposely left unclear because the devil is in the details.
That was something that I came across when I was researching Title 10 and the Posse Comitatus Act (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?5145-Reserve-mobilization-Posse-Comitatus-the-Insurrection-Act-and-Title-10&highlight=posse+comitatus). I read somewhere that unit commanders are given the liberty to proactively act to defend Federal Property in times of unrest. Given the above mention "time compression," it is within the realm of possibility that the CO of the 223rd and/or Base/Facilities Commander for the Bell Reserve Center to call in the troops when SHTF. It is better to gather them early, rather than wait for things to get really bad and have them not be able to get there at all.

I say "read somewhere" because while i was doing the research for that post, that particular statement got lost somewhere in the some odd three dozen tabs I had open.


Since angle is the one who makes the call, this should crumple some of the family did it tinfoil hat theories..,,,,,

I gotta tell you though, chasing those ideas down the rabbit hole was incredibly fun.

Taking into consideration the nature of narrative delivery, time compression, ect. a lot of the foil hats do get crumpled. I now mine did... that's why a fair few of my harebrained ideas were prefaced with a whole lotta "If's."
However, we have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight being caught up on the series, as well as having Kc dispel a few things here and there as he saw fit. Future first time listeners will likely not have that benefit. Clarification and refinement in a final mastering seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Turns out we were Kc's beta testers before he unleashed this on the world. Hows that for foil hat?

[Kc]

Turns out we were Kc's beta testers before he unleashed this on the world. Hows that for foil hat?

Well, in some ways this is all an experiment. This medium is so rigid/flexible/experimental, that sometimes it's hard to know what comes across and what doesn't. We did get a lot right in the beginning, but we are far more clearer in the end.

[Grognaurd]

There is some slack in the timeline. Later in the story, we guess that the outbreak seemed to start between 8:30 and 9:00. We are also told the outbreak reached Bell around 11:00. I figure Angel calls Michael around 10:00. Michael says he is about 30 minutes away from the base, so I double the estimate to account for increased traffic.

[fridginators]

I think that point about people being killed at a far higher rate than being turned is highly important and I guess implicit in the show - Tanya pretty much says it explicitly in 47-2 that plenty of people may be immune but just got massacred. I guess the same with skittles.

I agree that while all this may be nitpicky it is important because as said, we have KC but any new listener - if this ever gets syndicated or effectively commercialised as a box set - won't be able to clarify these issues.

That all said the strongest component to this show is the fact that it does start up immediately and that it doesn't dilly dally with all the "what's a zombie" bullshit. We learn our characters through the melee, and the zombies aren't just another generic disaster or post-apocalypse plot device. So I don't think you need to focus too much more on the beginning, but as you said, a slight addition here and there would work out well. I think particularly the proliferation of zombies - Pegs' flower pot incident makes it seem that they're all around, whereas obviously when driving in chapter 1 Michael doesn't seem to see too many. Maybe he should see blood stained roads and nearly have a close call or run over something? I don't know. Not my story to tell!

[fridginators]

As for the Behemoth #2, I guess I'm just surprised it didn't appear to be an immediate threat, that it didn't also enter the colony? I've listened many times to that episode. Maybe I just did miss something.

And I do hope you put in that Tardust line because otherwise it's unclear - I myself was just wondering why he doesn't say "I lived with her for four months". He is a bad liar so yeah it's easy for riley to call him on his BS.

[Gooer]

I think that point about people being killed at a far higher rate than being turned is highly important and I guess implicit in the show - Tanya pretty much says it explicitly in 47-2 that plenty of people may be immune but just got massacred. I guess the same with skittles.

I agree that while all this may be nitpicky it is important because as said, we have KC but any new listener - if this ever gets syndicated or effectively commercialised as a box set - won't be able to clarify these issues.

That all said the strongest component to this show is the fact that it does start up immediately and that it doesn't dilly dally with all the "what's a zombie" bullshit. We learn our characters through the melee, and the zombies aren't just another generic disaster or post-apocalypse plot device. So I don't think you need to focus too much more on the beginning, but as you said, a slight addition here and there would work out well. I think particularly the proliferation of zombies - Pegs' flower pot incident makes it seem that they're all around, whereas obviously when driving in chapter 1 Michael doesn't seem to see too many. Maybe he should see blood stained roads and nearly have a close call or run over something? I don't know. Not my story to tell!

Michael didn't see many during driving (I guess after they escaped the military base?) because they were spread out, hunting the humans. The first infected happened at spread out hot-spots, meaning the infection would of had to spread out from there, (such as LA), and move away, instead of examples like WD where everyone is already infected, they just have to die. Most people were just attacked, with a smaller percentage being infected, like how Pegs and Riley describe their first encounter. And the flower pot incident was several days after the initial attack - plenty of time for even more people to become infected, and more time for zombies to stop hunting and just wonder around more or less aimlessly.

[fridginators]

That does make sense :)

[Gnex]

I haven't went thru and read all the post here.... so I don't know if this has been mentioned or not.


But I was going back thru listening from the beginning and I noticed something that was kinda odd.

So when Angel and Saul get back to the Tower after finding Burt, they clean things up and then Riley/Datu/Pegs etc, etc, etc.... come out and say they all hid but it didn't work because it was like they knew where they were......

This is eventually where the whole scent theory comes from, etc, etc......


Sooo............... The part that struck me as weird was, before any of this happens Saul, Angel, and Burt all spend the night on the roof and when they wake up in the morning there are just zombies hanging out right below them. They don't even act like they know they are there, and you would know that Angel, Saul and Burt are all pretty smelly at this point... just curious why they weren't trying to get up there at them. There was 1 climber that tried.... but then its like the other just gave up and and decided to take a nap....

[Gooer]

I haven't went thru and read all the post here.... so I don't know if this has been mentioned or not.


But I was going back thru listening from the beginning and I noticed something that was kinda odd.

So when Angel and Saul get back to the Tower after finding Burt, they clean things up and then Riley/Datu/Pegs etc, etc, etc.... come out and say they all hid but it didn't work because it was like they knew where they were......

This is eventually where the whole scent theory comes from, etc, etc......


Sooo............... The part that struck me as weird was, before any of this happens Saul, Angel, and Burt all spend the night on the roof and when they wake up in the morning there are just zombies hanging out right below them. They don't even act like they know they are there, and you would know that Angel, Saul and Burt are all pretty smelly at this point... just curious why they weren't trying to get up there at them. There was 1 climber that tried.... but then its like the other just gave up and and decided to take a nap....

Maybe they were too dumb to find a way up......?

[Kc]

Maybe they were too dumb to find a way up......?

I might be wrong, but wasn't there a ladder lock? I think Angel hit it on the way down and screwed up his ankle. It's been a while since that scene, mind's a little fuzzy.

[Gooer]

I might be wrong, but wasn't there a ladder lock? I think Angel hit it on the way down and screwed up his ankle. It's been a while since that scene, mind's a little fuzzy.

Yea, i listened to the episode just now to see. You're right

[Gnex]

I might be wrong, but wasn't there a ladder lock? I think Angel hit it on the way down and screwed up his ankle. It's been a while since that scene, mind's a little fuzzy.

yeah, I guess the issue was more the fact that they were described as almost being asleep..... like they had just moved there in the middle of the night...... perhaps after hearing the gunshot from Burt...... and then they just took a nap.....

I guess I was more thinking they would be down there making noise and whatnot trying to get to the 3 smelly guys up top......

[Kc]

yeah, I guess the issue was more the fact that they were described as almost being asleep..... like they had just moved there in the middle of the night...... perhaps after hearing the gunshot from Burt...... and then they just took a nap.....

I guess I was more thinking they would be down there making noise and whatnot trying to get to the 3 smelly guys up top......

They stuck around because they couldn't find them, but could still smell them.

[Gooer]

Here's another


In part 3 of chapter 7 at 3:09 into the show Lizzy says "Micheal broke the Sweat of bottles On the far side of the room." Was that supposed to be "broke the bottles of sweat"?
P.s. I hate myself for asking this.

[raymoney]

In part 3 of chapter 3 at 2:14 Burt shoots a "zombie" that climbs on the roof and attacks angel. You hear a shell casing fall. He was using a revolver at the time. The shell would not be ejected.

[gijoekster]

Picc Line in season 8 for a character's infection and common medical knowledge gaffs.

1. PICC lines are placed with use xray/flouroscope imaging in radiology. It goes almost into the heart. Picc lines are flushed BEFORE placement to clear all air out of the line before putting it in a vein, to avoid an air embolism. PICC lines are placed in a sterile environment and have a sterile specialized dressing that contains a square of chlorahexadine to prevent infection at the site. PICC lines have a huge infection risk and blood clot risk. A standard IV line would be just as good for IV antibiotics with far less risk to the patient. You would not simply tape it down without a special dressing. Guarenteed heart infection with that approach.

2. It is impossible to start an IV on yourself one handed. Nearly all IV's are in the arm. This process and equipment is very different than inserting a syringe into a vein and requires 2 hands. No medical professional could start their own IV. Its physically impossible with the equipment that requires 2 hands.

3. IV clindmycin is not considered a powerful antibiotic.

4. You don't "strap around" or push in an IV bag. Basically everything in this scene is wrong. Its all common information available on wikipedia.

[gijoekster]

In part 3 of chapter 3 at 2:14 Burt shoots a "zombie" that climbs on the roof and attacks angel. You hear a shell casing fall. He was using a revolver at the time. The shell would not be ejected.

Also, Burt, Michael, Saul, and Angel consistantly use the term "clip" when referring to semi auto magazine fed firearms. The correct term is a "magazine". Any member if the military (except Marcus? Lol) would never use the incorrect term "clip" in this way. It's a pet pieve of drill instructors and trained out quick. It's considered almost as bad as saying "gun" instead of "weapon" or "rifle"

[gijoekster]

I've put them in before, but not the ones that go super deep like the one's you're describing. This is the very short version that goes into the skin maybe two inches at most. I might have the term wrong... Apparently the type I am thinking about is just refereed to an IV line. That might need to be fixed in the remaster ;)

What you're talking about is a midline IV. Usually an 18 gauge, and placed with an ultrasound.

A PICC line is a central line that has 50ish centimeters of catheter tube that stops right before the atrium of the heart and is placed in the Interventional radiology dept with live xray/flouroscope imaging to confirm placment. These are not done in the field and are flushed/filled prior to placement or the air would kill the patient once flushed through by antibiotics. A PICC has a chlorohexadine antimicrobial gel in the special dressing to prevent infection that would spread quickly the heart.

PICC lines and IV lines cannot be "pushed back in" after they are discontinued, even accidentally. It would blow the vein, kink and occlude, or kill the patient with sepsis.

Also a person cannot physically start an IV on themselves in the arm. It's way different then injecting into a vein with a syringe. The needles used for IV and PICC lines take two hands to hold, maintain in the arm, then remove the needle. A thin plastic catheter stays in the vein that is over the needle until the needle is pulled out and disposed of once the site is started. You cant do all of this with one hand on yourself.

Also the antibiotics they use in Saul's picc are pretty low key. Vancomycin would be used on a deep wound.

[gijoekster]

I cant wrap my head around the gas shortage, ammo shortage etc. this is a common problem with the zombie genre. I understand a story device to influence pace, create drama etc, but there are plenty of ways to di that with zombies trying to eat you. The population has been cut drastically. The people who would be burning the gas and eating canned goods are mostly dead, or chomping on the few live ones left. The infrastructure to support the population prior to Z-day would mostly be there. Think about all the gas stations anor hydroelectric plants. You could hookup a generaoir to the diesel tank through the refill hatch on the ground that semi truck used to refill and power the pumps with it. Theres soooo much fuel out there and less than a 10th of the population to use it. The average American commuting family used approx 500 gallons of gas a year and a tanker holds 11,000 gallons. Your average gas station has 24,000 gallons of fuel sitting in the tanks!

Last on the gas subject. When Kilani is looking for jet fuel for the helicopters, the military uses jet fuel jp8 in their humvees, and just about every other land and air vehicle.

[Merlin1274]

I cant wrap my head around the gas shortage, ammo shortage etc. this is a common problem with the zombie genre. I understand a story device to influence pace, create drama etc, but there are plenty of ways to di that with zombies trying to eat you. The population has been cut drastically. The people who would be burning the gas and eating canned goods are mostly dead, or chomping on the few live ones left. The infrastructure to support the population prior to Z-day would mostly be there. Think about all the gas stations anor hydroelectric plants. You could hookup a generaoir to the diesel tank through the refill hatch on the ground that semi truck used to refill and power the pumps with it. Theres soooo much fuel out there and less than a 10th of the population to use it. The average American commuting family used approx 500 gallons of gas a year and a tanker holds 11,000 gallons. Your average gas station has 24,000 gallons of fuel sitting in the tanks!

Last on the gas subject. When Kilani is looking for jet fuel for the helicopters, the military uses jet fuel jp8 in their humvees, and just about every other land and air vehicle.
Gas has an expiration date. It does go bad. With food and such, There were episodes where the infected where eating the food. So that somewhat explains that. Also I do not think they ventured very far out in the earlier times so food, gas, ammo was limited. Especially Ammo. This is California they are in after all. One of the most restrictive states when it comes to guns and ammo. With the other stuff.. Pends on how many engineers are left that can utilize or train others to work those plants and other stuff.